🎙 Episode 20 — Charlie Kirk, Corruption & The State of America

Retired NYPD helicopter pilot Derin De Vuono (20-year NYPD veteran; Chinatown’s 5th Precinct → 10 years in the Aviation Unit → finished in the 60th Precinct, Coney Island) joins Bruce & Rich for a raw, first-person look at New York City corruption, policing culture, media narratives, and the nation’s mood in the immediate aftermath of the reported shooting of Charlie Kirk (as discussed in this episode’s timeline).

We cover Derin’s path into specialized policing and aviation rescue (East, Harlem & Hudson Rivers), the administrative games and “performance” quotas that warp incentives, and why he believes NYC has been running on endemic financial/political corruption for years. From there, the table talk turns national: how media and social feeds shaped the reaction to the Kirk news, what free speech & satire should look like (yes, South Park comes up), the flags-at-half-mast debate, and gun-law misunderstandings (incl. confusion over a Mauser vs. “military rifles”).

The hosts grapple with division and responsibility—registering as an independent, earning votes, and rejecting celebration of political violence—ending with a straight ask to register and vote if you haven’t yet. Whether you agree or not, this is a candid conversation with someone who’s been in the cockpit over NYC and isn’t shy about how he sees the country right now.

Guest: Derin De Vuono — Retired NYPD Helicopter Pilot (Aviation Unit), 20 years NYPD
Hosts: Bruce Kolar & Rich Szabo (Podpinions)
Note: Episode commentary reflects the conversation as recorded; real-world claims are discussed as the hosts and guest present them in the moment.

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Transcript

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Welcome to Pod pinions, where the world's on fire and we show up like. It'S a backyard barbecue. Politicians roasted, woke trends torch, Common sense. We've got you covered. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Pod pinions. I'm Bruce. I'm Rich. And today we have a Special guest. Derin  De Vuono. Yes. From retired NYPD, helicopter pilot and all around nice guy. Yeah. Why don't you give us a little background there? All right. Well, I joined the Police Department in 2002. I did a 20 year career. Started my career off in Chinatown, 5th Precinct, then served 10 years in the New York City Police aviation unit as a helicopter pilot. Then finished out my career in the Six Zero precinct, which is Coney Island. Nice. Did you get to ride the Ferris wheel? I, I could have. I didn't, but I could have. And then I moved out here because quite frankly, I just couldn't stand being around New York anymore. I don't blame you. And it's not that New York is the problem. It's. New York is fine. It's the New Yorkers that make it bad. Or is it the people that are coming in now? Well, there's that too. So. Yeah. No, because I, I, what they did like the Roosevelt Hotel with all the illegals, it was horrible. Yeah. And now they're out, from what I understand. But it's only a matter of time before somebody else just moves them right back in or just shifts them to another location. I mean, everything that's done administratively in that city is so underhanded. And I've said for many years that if it wasn't for the corruption in that city, if you could wave a magic wand and just snap your fingers, if you got rid of the corruption, the city would collapse in on itself because it's been working off of corruption for so long, it needs it to survive. Well, what kind of corruption are you talking about? Just mostly financial corruption. I mean, the, the way that they spend money there is, is off the chain. I mean, you saw with the scandals with, I mean, Eric Adams himself, the current mayor of New York, you know, he's, he's been embroiled in and corruption. Well, how is he. When you were under him when he was police commissioner, right? No, he was never the police commissioner. Or whatever he was. He was a captain, police department. Okay. And that was when I was a rookie cop. I don't remember exactly when it was that, that he left the police department, but, you know, thankfully I was in Manhattan when that happened. And he was, he was active in Brooklyn. So I didn't have to really deal with him that much. But his reputation certainly preceded itself. And it wasn't a very good one because. Because you're talking about like collapsing in on itself. I remember this has to be early 1980s and I was. I was working full time as a musician and I happened to wind up on the Joe Franklin show. Do you remember that? I do not. Okay. He's younger than me. Anyhow, he's on channel nine, like late at night. It was like the Johnny Carson show of New York, right? It was local t. Local wor. So anyway, I was on this show and I had my spot and then I moved down the couch, right? And there was. The Democratic convention was at. I think it was down to Jacob Javits, I believe. So they were coming into town, right? And miraculously, somehow all the hookers and the squeegee guys, everybody disappeared for like a week and a half gone, right? So anyhow, so I moved down the couch and I'm sitting there and I forget who the senator was. Was a New York state senator came on and they were talking. I zoned because I figured, my segment's done, I'll just sit here and uh. Huh, right? And my brain was somewhere else. And all of a sudden Joe turns to me and goes, so, maestro, what do you think? And it's like I had no idea what they were talking about. Like zero. And I said, well, well, I have a question. Oh, sure, go for it. All right. So how come, like, the Democrats come into town for this convention and I'm saying this to the senator who's sitting next to me, and I said, how is it that you get rid of all these squeegee people and all the hookers down by the tunnel? And like, it's all super clean. Like, where'd they go? Florida? Like, where'd you send them? Like, where did they go? And they all just looked at me. It's like, don't go there. You got the look. I did. I got the. I got daggers, man. It was like unbelievable. But like, how do they do that? Like, where did they go? You know, even now, like, the squeegee guys are gone. Well, I can tell you that when I first came on the job, the. The squeegee guys, and I'll just refer to, you know that as a general term, right? Mayor Giuliani pretty much did away with. With all of that. You know, he. He wanted to clean up the image of the city. He really cleaned it up. And he did. He did A fantastic job. I mean, the. The New York City that I went into as a cop was a very different New York City that I visited as. As a kid. And that whole. That was when we were using the broken windows policy. You know, anybody who's willing to commit small crimes is going to escalate those into. Into larger crimes. And it was a good policy. And. And I mean, the problem the Democrats had with it is it worked, and it pulled back the curve. We see you behind the curtain. You're the man behind the curtain. And. And that's. That bothered them. You know, unfortunately, it. You know, it. It exposes what things really are and. And. And who is propagating it. And so by the time I came out, we were told if you see a squeegee guy, it. You take action, you write him a summons, get him out of there, get him off your post. You know, if you're on a foot post, get them off your post. Just kick them onto somebody else's post. Make them their problem, as long as it's not your problem. This is when Giuliani was in. Well, I came in very, very shortly after Giuliani. So I came in. My start date was July 1st of 2002. Okay, so he just left. Yeah. And I graduated the police academy and it was the middle of January of 2003. So, you know, first I was temporarily assigned in midtown south, of all places. You know, it's kind of the Hollywood of New York City and 42nd street and, you know, all at Times Square. So after it got cleaned up. Yeah, that was. After all of that was done. So, man, I remember before that. Oh, yeah. Oh, it was a Met. And if you went one block over, over to one avenue, over to. To 8th Avenue, it was still the same old 42nd Street. It was just Times Square itself is what. Cleanup. What was all cleaned up. But all of those squeegee men, they were gone. And even homeless people, if it's. They wanted to clean up the image of the city and it just. You never saw them, you know, the squeegee guys, you just didn't see them. And, you know, the message got received and they just weren't there. I never once in my career saw a guy run up to a car trying to clean it with. With a squeegee because it had. It had been effective. You know, the measures that were great. Yeah, the measures that were taken were effective. And an accountability means something. If they're going to pay a fine or have a. An issue with what they're doing. If it's illegal and they have to pay the price for that, then that's effective. Right, right. And then, you know, typically what would happen is they wouldn't pay the fine. They would just get written what we called a criminal court summons and they wouldn't pay it. And then a warrant goes out for your arrest and then it just becomes a pain in the butt. Right, right. And, well, how do you track them down if they're homeless? Well, you really don't. What address do you use? So. Well, that's. You get creative. Bush number two, Central Park. Because back in those days, you know, this whole ticket quota thing that it doesn't exist. Well, here's a little spoiler alert. It existed. Excep. We had a term for it. We called it, or at least our bosses called it paying the rent. So, you know, we were. Before. Yeah, so we were expected. You know, now they have a different name for it. It's called, I'm trying to remember what. It'S called quota system. We don't, we don't call it that in the department anymore, though. It has a more, a more politically correct and proper sounding name and it's called performance expectations Performance. But it's a quota, effectively. Yeah. Although I will say in, in recent years they've, they've really, because of complaints made by police officers be. And I know I'm kind of getting off the beaten track here, but there. Is no beaten track on this show. But for, for purposes of, I don't want to say promotion, because promotion can be guaranteed to, for you through competitive examinations, written examinations. But if you wanted to go to a detail or some kind of a specialized unit, you needed your commanding officer's recommendation. And the first thing they would check is how is his activity? How many arrests has he made this month? How many summonses has he written? How many of this, how many of that? And what's his performance at traffic court? You know, does he have a winning record? All of those things kind of start to add up and determine whether or not that that commanding officer is going to, is going to sign his name on that, on that recommendation. And if you weren't meeting your performance expectations quota, then, then you didn't get that letter of recommendation and it made it very, very difficult for you to transfer into one of those specialized units. Wow. So then when, when did you move into the helicopter thing? So I was very fortunate because I wasn't an overly active cop. But you know, some of the cops that I worked with were, I would say Less than motivated. And when I was a younger cop, I had about five years on the job when. When that happened. So I hadn't quite left the honeymoon period of the job. Because no matter how I feel about that department and no matter how I feel about the way the. The political wave has shifted towards law enforcement, I still believe in the work, and I still believe in what policemen do. You just don't like the package it's in. I don't like the. And I don't like in major municipal police departments where the marching orders are coming from, which is. In a large city like New York. It's obviously going to be very politically motivated and driven. But. But to go back to what you said, how did I get to the aviation unit? I really did the bare minimum. I brought in my one or two arrests a month, and I gave them my 17 summonses a month. And just by doing. Food insecurities. That's right, starvation. I paid my rent. I was on time with my rent, okay? And. And that was enough compared to the other. Some cops that were more senior that had given up because they kind of adopted this. Why am I bothering doing this? Because, you know, you're trying to, you know, trying to do police work right now is, you know, I used the analogy earlier with somebody else. It's like trying to soak up the ocean with a kitchen sponge. You know, what difference am I really making out there? Because we're unappreciated, we're underpaid, we're. And. And we knew that going into the job. That's how the public was going to react to us. What we were warned about and we just didn't want to accept was how our own department was going to treat us. And they, in a lot of cases, were worse than the public. You know, I can deal. Really? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Wow. Somebody's always got to be to blame. But again, I'm kind of diverging from your original question. How did I get to the aviation? We'll get there eventually. We got plenty of time. Yeah, right. Is endless. Thank you, Al Gore. Thank you. Thank you. He's watched. I set him up for that. He's waiting for that one. He's been practicing. He's been practicing. And I nailed it. But so just by doing the bare minimum, it was actually kind of a funny story. I'll give you a quick anecdote about it. My partner and I. My partner, we had heard that the mounted unit, the horses were taking partner pairs because they were so desperate for personnel that they Were you come over here. If you guys both pass what they call remount training, which is your initial training for the horses and all that stuff, we'll partner you up. You know, you'll go to the same command and you'll work together. And, you know, I was very close with my partner. As a matter of fact, you know, when my son was born, there were three people. Other than myself and my wife, there were three people present there. There was my. Whether it was my wife, obviously, myself, her mother, my brother and my partner and me, obviously, But. And your kid? Well, he came a little later. Okay. He came out. I think it was 502 in the evening. Okay. But. But we were very close, and to this day, we still are close. I still. Which is great. Yeah. And we went to our commanding officer, and we asked him if he would be willing to. To sign a recommendation for both of us to put in for and go to the mounted unit. And at the time, our commanding officer was a very. This was in Chinatown. So this was a very short Chinese commanding officer. He was. He was a captain. And he. He said, come into my office. So we sat down in his office, and now we're nervous because we had very limited interaction with him. You know, we just. We went in, we did our job, and we. You know, one of the things that you kind of learn is try to stay under the radar. If they, you know, if they know your name, it's usually a bad thing. You know, just. Just try to. Right, right. Try to stand on the radar. So he brings us into the office. Now, also understand that this commanding officer formerly came from what we called ESU Emergency Services Unit, which is the New York City Police Department's SWAT team. Okay. But it's kind of like SWAT on steroids. They do a little bit more than just SWAT stuff. You know, they're very, very highly trained personnel. And he had come from there, and they gave him Chinatown as a command, and he really didn't want to be there, and he wanted to get back to emergency services, but. But this is where he was. So he said. He looks at me and he says,  Derin, he says, what do you want to go to mounted for? And I said, well, it's an opportunity to move on. You don't want to tell him, because I don't want to stay here. You know, you don't want to tell your commanding officer that. So, you know, it's an opportunity. We want to expand our horizons. You know, we want to see more of what the job has to offer us. And Blah, blah. Everything you're supposed to say in a job interview is. And he knew you were full of shit. And. Yeah, he knew it because he's been there, you know, for the same reason you want to go back to emergency service, you know? So he looks at me and he says to me,  Derin. And right there, I was caught off guard because I really honestly didn't know that this man knew my first name. Wow. I had never had an interaction. I'd never had a conversation with him. So first he hits me with my first name, and I was just kind of like, you know, oh, you know. And then he says, aren't you a pilot? And I said, so you were a pilot before this? Yeah, I was a pilot long before I came on. I was. I became a pilot, and I was 17 years old. Oh, I didn't see. I didn't. That part I didn't know. Yeah, so I was a pilot early on. Okay, so aren't you a pilot? And I said, now I'm thinking, how does he know that? You know, it's. Is he looking through my jacket? You know? So he. And I said, yes, sir. And he goes, why don't you put in for aviation? And I said, well, I really don't have any connections in aviation, and I don't know what my chances are. And right now, mounted is looking for people. Then he looks at my partner and he says, what do you want to do? And he goes, actually, I want to go to esu. And that kind of rung a little chime in his heart, because that's where this commanding officer came from. So he says, so what are the two of you guys putting in for mounted for? What do you want to smell like an effing horse? And. And we were like, well, you know, these are really what we want to do. But any is like, he looks at, listen, if you guys want to go to mounted, I'll sign your recommendation. You can go to mounted. But he goes, you fill out an application, Send it to aviation. You fill out an application and give it to me, and then I will deliver it to emergency service. And we looked at each. My partner and I looked at each other, and we were like, okay, thank you, sir. That's cool. We got up, we went out, and then we proceeded to work car. And obviously in the patrol car that night, we had a. A pretty interesting conversation, you know, that went a lot different than we thought it was going to go, especially with. The first name thing. Yeah, so. So, you know, we kind of laughed about that, Lo. And Behold. I filled out my application for aviation and six months later was picked up into aviation. And so now, were you fixed wing? Before I was a fixed wing pilot, I had actually never even sat in a helicopter before I went to the aviation unit. So I go to the aviation unit, and this is. I'm hearing stories of other guys. You know, there are other guys that had been applying for the aviation unit for years. They had been on four interviews. I went in for one interview, and boom, I got picked up. So I do consider myself very fortunate that I got picked up. I had at the time, right around five and a half years on the job. I was. I was a little shy of six years on the job. So, you know, I was going in very low time, you know, all things considered, like I said, you have guys that had 13, 14 years on the job that had been fighting to try to get into that unit. But the charming personality, that's what did it. It must have been that I didn't have as much gray hair back then either, so. And my. And my alluring smile. Right. He fits right in here. Get another seat here. Let's get another boom mic set up. So. So I went to aviation and I served there for 10 years. And the. We. We do need more crew. Just. We do. So. And I'm not opposed. I'm not opposed to that, but I would have to put a demand down for one of these shirts. So. But. And then for 10 years I worked there, which put me at 16 years on the job. So wait, so exactly what does the aviation unit do? So the New York City Police aviation unit is tasked with several tasks. Not to sound redundant, probably a poor choice of words. I'll probably get made fun of that in the comments section below. But so. But they. There's a wide variety of what we did at the time. And among. We did patrol functions. You know, whenever there were jobs that would come up, you know, for perp. Searches or on the ground. It would come over on the ground, but we would. We would give air support. Oh, okay, okay. So, you know, with, you know, shootings or anything like that. So you'd be the guy hovering up there with the searchlight. Exactly. Or infrared and things like that. So that was patrols function. We also did. Whenever we had a dignitary come into town, whether it was the President of the United States or another foreign dignitary or whatever, Secret Service would come to us and we would fly Secret Service. So we did all the aerial recon and all the advance work for the motorcade. When Any of these dignitaries would be on the move. You know, we had a schedule and then there was a contact, you know, a person of contact. And, and whenever they were moving, we were in the air and we were ahead of them, making sure. Just to give you an example, if they're moving up the FDR Drive, for those of you familiar with New York City, you know, the FDR Drive is, is a main thoroughfare of what they use. And you know, we. Vehicle at this exit on the side, it's a red station wagon. Whatever, you know, whatever description of the vehicle. And they would send people Secret Service, I mean they would make sure, is it a broken down vehicle or is it somebody there with illicit intentions? Or, you know, but, and they were no joke. I mean, you realize just how good the Secret Service is at their job. Most of the time. Right. Most of the time when they have their A game players, right. They're, they're very good at what they do. I mean it's, it's actually pretty impressive to watch them the, the event notwithstanding. But, but so that, that was another function that we did. And we were also, we were tasked with doing air sea rescue functions. And they consisted of anybody, particularly in the summertime, if there was any chance of a person going into any of the navigable waterways in New York City. It'S like the East River, Hudson River. East River, Hudson River, Harlem river, the ocean surrounding the area. We had helicopters and crew that were trained to go out and be able to affect rescues. Now that included jumpers off of bridges that. How often does that happen? More than you would think. Because people, we know that, that there are a lot of people with mental illnesses in the world and you know, usually we refer to them as, as Democrats, but. Fits right in. But sometimes you'd have these people, you know, a lot of these people, you, you, Some of them, you really do feel bad for some of them. Not a whole lot of them. Because a lot of times these are people that are either seeking attention. You know, as we know with the current status of social media, attention is a hell of a drug. Yeah, it's more addictive than any other drug out there right now. You know, you look at these people who like to call themselves influencers, which cracks me up, because they really don't influence anybody. They just, they love the, they love the sound of their own voice. And they. I thought, Wait, I thought that's what. Oh, I guess that. I thought that's what we were doing. Yeah, no, we're doing something. We're sharing our opinions and that happens to be one of mine. But so, but, you know, they, they love the attention. I mean, you get some people that they'll go up on the, on the George Washington Bridge. And here's a fun New York City fact, if you didn't know this, the George Washington Bridge, at least at the time. I don't know if this is still current, but at the time was the heaviest travel bridge on planet Earth. There's a lot of cars going across that bridge. And some people, when you get a jumper or somebody who calls 911 and says, I feel like, I feel bad and I'm going to jump off the George Washington Bridge, they get to watch all the pretty lights show up and shut down traffic, and then the helicopter shows up and then it's all about them. Yeah. And then you get, you know, four or five fire department boats and two or three police department boats and. And meanwhile, they're on the other end of the bridge recording it, their phone, and you're looking for somebody who's not even there. But because of the fact that there was a possibility that somebody may end. Up in the water, you have to show up. We have to go. In case they go in and they're still viable for rescue. Right. Now, what happens to that person when they get caught? Most of them don't get caught. Wow. If there's a person on the bridge that really, truly was contemplating doing it and they don't go, and the cops get there and you know, literally and proverbially talk them off the ledge, sixth floor at Bellevue, that's exactly what happens. They're. They're not, they're not placed under any kind of arrest or anything. I mean, they're, they're going to Bellevue. Right? But. And for those of you who don't know, Bellevue is. It's one of the hospitals in Manhattan that has the main psycho psychological wing. But I forgot to turn my phone off. It's just like the movie theater. They know you four times. I know, right? And there's. On the screen and there's always going. To be two of them told me several times to turn my phone off, and I didn't. And, and there's a guarantee somebody's phone's gonna go off and somebody's gonna answer it. On speakerphone. Yeah. Oh, yeah. In a restaurant when somebody's talking on. The speakerphone, that makes me crazy. We went out to dinner the other night, right? So we, they had us in the middle of the restaurant, right? So I said to the waiter, I said, look, we have that booth, like, over there. Let me see. So he goes over and talks to the manager, right? Yeah, you can move them. So off we go. So now we're sitting in this little corner. Nobody's around us. These two people come in, sit down directly across from us at A two top right. The chick is on the phone on speakerphone. He's, like, sitting there yelling, trying to be heard. And it's like, you gotta be kidding me. I wanted. I. I just wanted to go over and, like, slap both of them. It takes all kinds. It does. Anyhow, that was an aside. So anyway, so back to the Bellevue Hospital thing. So, yeah, they don't. They don't get charged with any kind of a crime because they get charged. Like, for, like, all guys showing up. Nope. In fact, I'm talking financially. Whenever. Whenever we affected a rescue, they received no bill. Wow. Because it's part of the function that we, you know, we provide as a police department. But so then, like I said, I worked 10 years, and then I. The way I'll say it right now is I left the aviation unit. Those were under some people would call it funny circumstances. That may be a topic for another discussion on another day. But you retired. But I did fully retire from the police department. And they pay me just to keep waking up in the morning. And when the pension fairy shows up at the end of the month, I look at that and I laugh. And for all of you people out there that are saying, I pay your salary, well, now you're paying me just to wake up in the morning. Thank you very much for that. I think that's great. I really do. I think that's great. So now. What happened to New York now? I mean, after Giuliani left, it kind of went back in the toilet. Well, as much as I did not like him and I don't. And you'll never like Rudy. No, no, no, no. I'm. What I'm about to say, as much as I did not like, I'm drawing a blank. Bloomberg. Bloomberg is. I'll leave it at that. I think my. My lack of. My mother said, if I don't have anything nice to say, don't say any. Here's what I feel about Mayor Bloomberg. So anyway, and. And also understand, you know, I. I want to give a shout out to the late Paul Harrell, who. If you guys ever watched him on YouTube, I. I don't make any claims that anything I say comes from a place of greatness or origins of greatness. And I'm kind of misquoting him there a little bit. But, you know, I, I, I, I try to get a chuckle in, you. Know, here and there when I can. Absolutely. But have you guys noticed that Bloomberg has been conspicu. Yeah, that scares me. It doesn't frighten me. I think he's, he's advanced enough in age where I don't think he's going to be what I will term a problem anymore. Because let's not forget, he ran as New York City mayor as a Republican. He was a Republican mayor of New York City. Well, he was a rhino, but, but. Under the ticket of Republic. Right. And then he ran, well, if you want to call it that, he pretended to run for president as a Democrat on a Democrat ticket. But Bloomberg came in and Bloomberg, he kept certain policies in place that Giuliani had in, which cleaned up New York City and, and gave us tools as cops to be able to affect our jobs. And, well, that bothered people. You know, there's certain people out there, once again, call them Democrats, and they didn't like the effectiveness to which we were, we were doing our jobs. Bruce and I talk about this all the time. What are they so afraid of? I mean, again, here you were a. Cop doing your job. What were they afraid of for you doing your job? The, the biggest answer, and believe you me, this was a topic of conversation among cops probably going all the way back to 1902. But I can tell you these conversations were had in the car with my partner. Really? Oh, yeah. What, what is it? And consistently, what we came up with is the exposure of the truth. Some people don't know how to behave themselves. When they don't behave themselves, things must be done. Most of the people who hate the cops, they hate us. But we're willing to do things, and we are. We have to do things that they do not have. And I'll be a little bit crass here, but they don't have the sack to step up to the plate and do themselves. They're the first ones to pick up that phone and call us when they see somebody. Oh, oh, that one makes me nervous. But, but when we show up and this has literally happened, you know, we'll show up on a call that they made and when we're forcibly removing somebody for, they're the first ones yelling at us on camera, leave him alone. He didn't do anything. And it's. You called us. But wow. But the reality of the situation, and remember, there's plenty of people out there. Your audience that's watching Some of them, they say this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. But I'm. I lived it, right? You know, I'm, I'm. I can only speak to my experience in it. And, and this was a major part of my experience. You know, we're talking about half of this country cannot agree with the other half of this country on the color of an orange. And it depends on who tells them what that color is. And, and they will tow that partisan line no matter what, just to be contrary. Right. Well, you're talking about, you know, attention seekers right now. I showed you that Facebook thing. I said, scroll through this, right? One of my musician friends, right, who's out of his mind. He's so far left. He's right. Yeah, right. I mean, he's. He's almost full circle anyhow. But that. I, I don't get it. Like that whole thing. I just don't get why they hate us so much. I contemplated this a lot, and I've given this a lot of thought, and half the time I look at these people and, and what they think, and I say to myself, there's no way they really believe this. And I'm trying to think of a topic off the top of my head. But they do believe it. They. They absolutely do believe it. But it's so ridiculous. I have to tell myself sometimes. Do they really think that, or is this a show? Is. Is this just to keep the opposition alive? Because, I mean, let's face it, you know, you do need a certain amount of opposition even. No matter how much you love your political party, something's got to keep them in check. Yeah, but I hate a lot of Republicans, too. And I do, too. I'm. And, and in full disclosure, I'm registered as an independent and. Oh, get out. Well, no, the reason for that is the, the way I see it is when you register as either a Democrat or a Republican, you know, that comes up on their. Their information. They know. They actually. And they don't know your name. They just know, oh, this guy is a registered Republican. This guy's a registered. Those are votes we're going to get. They expect your vote, right? I don't ever work for it. I don't ever want them thinking that they automatically have my vote. If you want my vote, you're going to earn my vote. And as an independent voter, you have to earn my vote. I was independent until I said, like I said about two years ago, and I wanted to vote in the primary. Of course, we can't Vote as an independent. So I changed parties. But until that point, I, I felt the same way. If you want my vote, you gotta, you gotta earn it. Yep. And it, it just so happens that, you know, my values and my outlook lines up right. Probably 99.9% with the Republican party, but you still gotta earn my vote. You've gotta convince me. Because, you know, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And, and even people who go into politics with the best of intentions, they can be steered astray. You know, how, how do you explain somebody like that? Brainiac AOC she was a bartender and now she's a multi millionaire. And what she's been. How does that work, man? Three years in Congress and she's a multimillionaire. How does that work? That has always baffled me. Nancy Pelosi made millions and millions and millions. If any one of us three did. What she did, we'd be in jail. We'd be producing this from prison. Right. On a, you know, with a pad and paper. Yeah, but they're allowed to have insider trading in Congress, which is disgusting. Yeah, absolutely. But her husband, on the other hand, is. He's like this antique. He's got this antique dealership thing where he imports stuff from Europe. And how do I know? I. I went to college with his accountant. But so in, in the rest of the world, if you're not, if your last name is not Pelosi, they call that money laundering. Right. You know, yeah. Or they call it a fence operation. Or something, you know, which is probably what that. What it is. And the thing is we, we all know it's happening. At least the ones paying attention. And even the ones probably aren't paying attention, they know what's happening. They just don't want to see it. See it. And I think. And you know, just so you know, we kind of started this off. We decided we're just going to go into it. Derin, he's been, we've been talking about having him on here for quite a while and we're like, you know, we, we've talked personally and, and uh, we, we decided tonight was going to be the night, so. And he's our first guest ever. First guest ever. And I'm honored to be. And he's killing coming on. Yeah, he is. I don't know. I don't even know if we're gonna have a job after. Yeah, right. We may be his crew. Everybody always told me I have a face and a voice for radio. But. We decided to go right into it. And so based on, you know, What I was getting at is we kind of know what's happening. Your feelings of. They can't actually feel that way. Like, we always have that. As far as conservatives, I think we always have that hope that they're not really. That they don't really think it. They have to be lying or they. Somebody's making them say that, or it was just the way they were taught. It's not really from their soul. Yeah, it is. I'm sorry. It is. They want us dead. Right. And. And that's what I was getting to. And, you know, probably many of the shows start off with this, but we decided we're gonna go, you know, get. Get your background and do all this stuff. But leading into, you know, from what you said, what happened to Charlie Kirk and the days after the. The people are waking up. I hope so. To the fact that, yes, they want us dead. There's people out there that. And there's many people out there that are just. They. They will not change. If I can inject. Just one quick thing is I used to think exactly what you just said is that they didn't really think that way. No, I mean. But. But now, especially now after the. The events of September or September 10th. Yeah. I think now I think of it more as. It's a defense mechanism. It's not that I don't believe that it's. It's our. It's our defense. And more on that as we delve into this conversation, but I really think it's more of a defense mechanism. We're trying to convince ourselves nobody could be that twisted in their mind, but, yeah, they are, and they are. And the amazing thing is there's somewhere out there, there's a bizarro world and an alternate universe where there's a  Pod pinions going on. And three very staunch liberals are saying the exact same thing about how we think. Oh, absolutely. It's not just that they think that way. They believe it. They are immovable. But see the difference being. And I'm speaking for me, this is my  Pod pinion. You know, we've had this discussion before about the musicians and all that, and I'm kind of like an anomaly. You know, be a conservative in the music industry. Unicorn. Yeah, Right. Absolutely. So you guys. Do I look like a unicorn? So. But. Now I lost my train of thought. Sorry. Musician. Yeah. Yeah. So some of these musicians, I mean, they. They. They believe it so much, they. They call for Trump's death, for his extermination, that. That people like me. You. You should Be shot, you know, and here Charlie got shot, you know, two days ago. But I never think that way. No, I know. I mean, I don't agree with them, have your opinion, you know what I mean? I had a conversation with a trumpet player from mine the other day and we were, something came up and, and I said, no, I'm not playing there. And it was at this jazz festival and I said, no, I'm not welcome. Well, why not? I said, well, because I'm a conservative. And when I stopped playing 10 years ago, I got, I had this weird ear thing going on. So I couldn't, I couldn't play. So I started playing again, right? And, but during that 10 year hiatus from the horn, I came out of the closet as a conservative and these people lost their, I mean serious, I mean, screaming at me, yelling at me, telling, I mean, you name the name and I was called it, right? So she said, I said, I'm not welcome there. Like I'm kind of banished, you know. And she said, well, I'm a liberal. I said, no, you're not. You're like down the middle of the road. I said, you don't want me dead. You allow people to have their own opinion, right? I said, you're right down the middle. I said, I don't care what you think. You could like, you know, green hair and whatever you want to do, I don't care. That's your thing. But don't tell me I'm wrong for my beliefs and if I don't go along with yours, then I'm some kind of asshole that should be exterminated. That's where it's at, you know, and she didn't believe me. And then this happened and I texted her and I said what we were talking about the other day, that's what I'm talking about right there. That's it. You know, and the problem is, until this point, unfortunately, it, if anything good can come out of this, I guess is that now I'm, I'm, I'm done. Like, I understand they're, I'm not going to try to talk to you as far as push you. If you guys want to talk to me, we'll have a debate, whatever. But I'm not going to automatically think that. Well, even if I just say it this way, or if I, I, I, I'm gonna strike a chord with you because I don't believe we're gonna do that. But like no more Mr. Nice Guy kind of thing, what he's talking necessarily. No more Mr. Nice Guy, I'm just done. I. I've wasted. Oh, try. I mean, trying to convince. Trying to convince myself that I can help. No, perpetuate. They don't want to. They don't care. They don't care. I don't have a problem listening to. The. Sides of transgender and homosexual and lesbian. I don't have a problem listening about their. Why they believe that or why they like. Okay, just leave my thing. Right. But you. We can have a conversation about that that's different from. You see the people online now dancing and screaming and celebrating because somebody shot Charlie Kirk dead. That's. That's disgusting. Disgusting. Demonic as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely. Look what Elon Omar said, you know. Yeah. Did you see it? I didn't see what she said. I had to turn a lot of that stuff off because I was afraid I was going to start going on a rampage that was going to end with me in a federal prison. So. So I. I just. I got to the point where I knew that it was coming. I knew that there were going to be people that were celebrating. I think we all did. I mean, I saw this coming a long time ago. Until you actually, like, how can you take the example of Charlie Kirk? All we want to do is build a business, be with its family. He actually gave a platform for anybody to be able to speak. Didn't matter what your beliefs are, where you came from, how much money you had, you could dress up however you were come to his rallies, and he gave you a microphone to speak. How do you. How do you justify eliminating and celebrating somebody like that when a week ago, you're on your podcast or you're on your phone saying how you're scared that the President's going to take away everybody's democracy and freedoms. Yeah. It makes no sense to me. It doesn't get any more American than what Charlie Kirk was doing. It. It epitomizes the entire idea of what we as a country are supposed to be. And to be quite frank, I think a lot of the. The seasoned politicians should have been taking a page out of his book. Absolutely. Because he was like you said. And. And I'm sorry to cut in. No, no, absolutely. But he was providing a platform for anybody with an opinion, or a  Pod pinion, as it were, to. To. To make that opinion known, to speak it, and then to defend it. And. And they killed him for it. They killed him. They killed the only guy who was. Who was doing the right thing. And. And I think it's. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, no, we've talked about it, or you've mentioned it a couple times before. Like you wish you could go back to the times where we actually had conversations. Yes, and he was that time. Yeah, but what were the. What are, what are they so afraid of that they, they tried to kill Trump? They, they killed him. They're afraid of the truth. They're afraid of losing what they have built on. Excuse my French. God forbid. You said, you said. He said. I didn't say frickin. Yeah. Oh, you just wrecked it, man. You were, you were on a streak here. Yeah, but they've built everything that they, Their, their kingdom upon crap. And. It'S the Emperor's New Clothes. They don't have a platform. They don't have anything that people will actually benefit from. They, they, they, they take everything from anybody else to support themselves. And if that ever got out, they would be no longer in power, in control. They'd be broke, and that's all they live for. They built a kingdom of crap. Yeah. And then insist that everyone else take a bite of it. Yep. Yeah, but I, I don't do that. I mean, to me it's like right here, you know, and to you it's like. So that's my other question. Bruce and I discuss this all the time and see what you have to say about it. To me, it's like right there. How come we can see it but they can't? Or don't they want to see it? My, my short answer to that is I really. This is going to sound ridiculous, and I am in no way qualified to make any kind of a medical diagnosis or anything like that. You never even played a doc. I'm not a doctor and I've never played one on tv. But, but, you know, having worked patrol in my career, I've come across some mentally ill people. And I do believe, and there is, There are studies out there that show that there is a direct correlation between the people who think that way and the rate of mental illness. And, you know, I always said as a joke, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get me. Do you know what reverse paranoia is? What's that? That's when you think you're following someone. I think I'm following them. I don't know if I am or not. But, you know, but I say that to say that, you know, there's, there are studies out there and, and I can't name them. I don't have the figures in front of me. But. But they're, they do these researches and, and I just saw this earlier today, and like I said, I just kind of blanked out right before, you know, the, the recording started. But there is a direct correlation between mental illness and people who are believing this, what I'll call Democrat doctrine, because we really are along partisan lines now. You know, when I was a kid, you know, again, very quickly, just, you know, make this fast. I was in college, and it was my first election where I was of the age to vote, and it was when Bill Clinton was running against George Bush senior. And. And also that was when. What was his name? I cannot remember the name of him. The third. That's it. Sorry. That's all right. So, I mean, that was kind of unique in our country's history too. And I remember when, When Bill Clinton won, I, I was like, ah, you know, I'm not happy about it, but I did not have an impending sense of. Of doom. Right. Coming, you know, yeah, we're gonna see some things we don't like. We're gonna see. See something, but the country is not gonna eat itself apart. When George W. Bush won, I was glad because it, it wasn't the creator of the almighty Internet. Thank you. He's been practicing this. But, you know, history, you know, hindsight is 20 20, and history teaches. And, you know, in. In retrospect, you know, George W. Bush was not the paladin in shining armor that. That Republicans thought he would be either. Right. But when Obama won, that was when I had an impending sense of doom. And that was, again, in my  Pod pinion, was prophetic because when he won, we saw the Great Uniter divided us more than we've ever seen before. Oh, absolutely. We have never been divided as a country the way we were. Like we were under Obama, and since the late 1860s or the mid-1860s, you know, and I mean, we used to. I mean, you looked at the Jefferson's, Archie Bunker. We made fun of racism. Right. And it was all over in everybody's household. And it was okay to laugh at it. It wasn't something, oh, you shouldn't be laughing. Right. It was funny, you know, I mean, even when it was pointed at you. I mean, if you can't laugh at yourself, you have no business laughing at anybody else. Exactly. And, you know, I'll say that as a. As a tribute to the late Charlie Kirk is, you know, south park made fun of him. And if you, if you've seen the interviews that he did, he loved it. He took a. He Took it on the chin and, and he laughed about it and in fact, he embraced it. And you know, that's, that's when you really start seeing signs of intellectual maturity, is when you, you know, look, they, he would. Even the way I drink the water, you know. But, you know, interesting that I just read today and they announced in honor of Charlie Kirk's memory, they were going to remove that at those episodes. Why? Because they wanted. It was like a tribute, I guess, type. I don't know if it'll come back. But I don't believe they should. And the reason I don't believe they should remove it and they should. They should keep it up is because Charlie Kirk himself would have wanted found humor in it. It was funny to him and it didn't. And that twisted. Twisted the coyoni's. No, I'm sure it's like, oh my God. It didn't piss him off. He didn't freak out. You know, he took it like a man and. But anyway. Yeah, no, but that's, that's, that's how we grew up. Right? And, and it was okay to laugh at it and, and it was funny. I mean, you know, we, we. I'm a white kid. I grew up a white kid my whole life, believe it or not. And you know, we would. You would have, he would. If he was on tv, he would have played one. I would have played one too. And Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy. Oh, yeah. Dave Chappelle. These are some of the funniest men in the history of comedy. Absolutely. And, and you know, Dave Chappelle, he's very, very vocal. I mean, he is certainly not politically aligned with my, with my beliefs, but it doesn't make him not funny. And he's also, and in, in my opinion, the man is brilliant because he knows exactly what to say to make his stance known, but to make everybody laugh, and he makes everybody laugh and he's not, he. I've never heard him wish harm on anyone. He wants to poke fun. Cool. You're the butt of the joke today. Every, every. It's everybody's turn in the barrel one day. Absolutely. But, but, you know, then you have, you know, this animal that shot Charlie Kirk and, and you know, there is the, the, you know, one of the phrases that, that I learned. The weak arm themselves with revenge, the righteous arm themselves with justice. And there is no justice out there big enough to account for this. Right. And that's how I feel about it. And I never met the man. I did not know the man I was A fan. I didn't agree with everything that he said. I am not a particularly pious or religious person. I do believe in, in God. I do believe that, you know, that, that he exists. And I do believe that there is an almighty power out there. But I would say I'm more of an agnostic than anything else. But I don't begrudge anybody for their, their personal religious beliefs. But, you know, he would sometimes go on and on and it was evident that, you know, his, his faith in Jesus Christ was, was very strong. He was talking about it right before he got shot. Yeah, he, you know, and, and, you know, so I, I always kind of felt that's a little bit preachy, but. You know, but that's his thing. Yeah. And, and here's the thing, is that most religions, not going to say all of them, but most religions, you don't have to go to church, go to temple, go to a mosque. All you've got to do is be a good person. Being a good person is universal. Don't steal from people. Right. Don't hurt people. Mind your own effing business. And you live your life and let people live theirs. Right. And yes, but these people want us to live like them. That's the problem is they, they don't subscribe to that. Dr. I just want to be left alone. Exactly. But that's not good enough for them. If you don't think like me, yeah, I'm a piece of crap, then you're the problem. Or what's wrong with this. Absolutely. And that's, that's probably maybe part of the answer is like, you know, from the top down, that's how they've been trained. So the top has all this under them. So they just take that easy as the example of, you know, I have to have my underlings under me. And that's how they just, it just spreads and everybody has to do what they say or else the problem is, and also the defense mechanism is probably because I just want to be left alone. Just leave me alone, leave me out of it. I, I, I wasn't like this 12 years ago. I, I, I didn't want to listen to politics. I didn't want to get involved with every, all the dirt and the nonsense. Well, so I knew politics was, yes. But that's part of the problem too. That is, but is that you didn't get involved. And that's what I'm saying because I didn't want to believe that people were that bad. But they are. I know they are now New I've seen it, and I've seen it. You used it in the right context. I know. I know. It was a nudge. It was funny. I got it. Yeah. All right. But, you know, it's. It's like if. If I really believe it, then I don't know, at the time, you know, you're trying to raise a family or work or build a career or whatever, you know, is it. Is it a hindrance? Is it. Is it. Is it gonna make you not as happy? Not as, you know, that's what maybe I felt where I should have been feeling. No, I'm not going to let this take me over it. No. Well, that's part of the problem is conservative people just kind of, like, stand back and think, oh, this will just. Yeah. Turn the other cheek. Yeah. Right. It's not. No. And. And I think it's fair to say, at least this is my take on it. These people are hunting us now, and they're doing it because they're getting away with it. They have seen that. And. And I know this wasn't really in the topic of discussion we were planning on talking about, but, you know, a couple of weeks ago, that. That poor girl that got murdered, it was horrible. Horrible. And those people sat there and didn't do anything. And, I mean, the defense, if there is one, is, look what happened to Daniel Penny. Yes. They may have been sitting there. Just to give a slight benefit of the doubt. They may have been sitting there. I can involve myself in this and end up spending the next year of my life having to borrow hundreds of thousands of dollars that I don't have and have no means to pay back. I'm riding public transportation. The reality of the situation is if you're riding public transportation, you probably don't have the money for $100,000 worth of defense bills. Yeah. And is. Or I can just get up and walk away. The poor girl was dying. But I'll guarantee you there were people on that train who took their phones out and started recording it. Well, you saw that. Yeah. You saw the recording and you see. Yeah, but was that from a. That was a camera in the train. But there were other people recording it with. See, that's sick. Yeah. But instead of using the phone for its intended purpose, like call 91 1. Yeah. No, it's because attention's a hell of a drug. They're. They're attention whores. That's what I call them. I got to be the one that put it out. There, there. I got the poor. The poor woman Died. She died. She died horribly. And what was that guy even doing it out on the street with the. Look of horror on her face. Right. With the world watching. Yeah. What I can't believe is that that scumbag actually was let out 14 times. Well, we were talking about this a little earlier. You know, you asked me, you know, I was talking about the difference between I was doing the bare minimum and it made my commanding officer sign that letter of recommendation, and I promise I'm going somewhere with this. The senior cops that were just given up on doing that, that's why. Because that guy had been arrested. At least I believe the numbers. 14 times. 13 or 14 times. Yeah, but what about the judges that let them out? That's the problem. At some point as a cop, and I went through this myself towards the end of my career, at what point is it worth putting handcuffs on that guy? When you have a scumbag and scum bag like Alvin Bragg. And I'm Talking to you, Mr. Bragg, when you have a guy like that that lets everybody out. If you're the right color or the right religion, in other words, I'm just going to blatantly say it. If you are not white, you didn't do it. And it gets exhausting thinking I'm gonna put handcuffs on this guy who just beat up his wife or. Or committed some kind of horrible crime. And they're looking. They're more interested in looking to lock me up for it. They're. They're. They are scrutinizing. They have teams of New York City police employees, supervisors, whose only job it is is to review your body camera footage. And you might have just stopped a guy from committing a. A school shooting, but you dropped an expletive. You know, you know that. That clip with Leonardo DiCaprio, you know, insert that here. Oh, he just. He just said the F word. He is not allowed to say that. And now the entire job becomes about how you were out of line. And make no mistake, there will be advocates for that perp. That was. That police officer abused him verbally by saying that. And then all of a sudden, you find yourself with a civilian complaint. Are you serious? I'm 100% serious. Wow. If you want to laugh. I don't. This is like, not laughing materially here. No, but if you want to. If you. If you don't laugh, you cry. I know what you mean. But if you. If you want to laugh in disgust, I guess is the best way to put it, is go on to the New York City's Civilian complaint review board website and read all it takes in order to file a complaint against a police officer. It doesn't even have to be founded. And it will make an impact on that cops career. That's crazy. Even if it's unfounded, it doesn't matter. It's on. It's on the record. It's on the record. That's crazy. But. So in other words, I could drive into midtown Manhattan and some traffic cop, I don't like the way he's directing traffic. I could write. I could like, file a complaint. Yes. Wow. Record. Even if it's unfounded. Unbelievable. That's nuts. Yep. It'll be on there. That's absolutely crazy. And they do. And there's people who do. They probably make a job out of it. Well, yeah, you have your hobby, social justice warriors that go out there and then they get their cameras and, and you know, they. They want to film cops parking illegally. Because you end up going to a job, they have no idea what the job is you're responding to. It might have been a knife run, A gun. Excuse me, a gun run. Something like that. You show up and you've parked your car. Tactic, you know, tactically, you know, to make sure you're not blocked in and you're not blocking responding units in case this is real and you end up in a gun battle, you know. And look at the way this cop parked. He parked in the bike lane. And, and they're. And then what do they do? They forward it to the mayor's office. What is the mayor's. What does the mayor do? Now? This really started with Bill de Blasio, and it's continued on, even with Eric Adams. Because no matter what Eric Adams says, he was a New York City cop. He was never a cop. He was in it for himself. You know, we're talking about a man who, who admittedly said that his mission and his goal was to change the department from within. Right. Which means that he had a loathing for the department. But. But I've kind of digressed from what we were talking about, you know. No, no, this is, this is what we do here. No, I know. I just, I don't. I don't want to take away from the focus of. No. Of the huge loss that the country has suffered. Now we'll get to it. But this is fascinating. I feel like I'm trying to kind of making it about me, and I don't want to make it. Well, you're our guest, so it is. Exactly. But. But anyway, you know, that's, that's all I have to say about that. Wow. I just, that's. Anger is kind of, you know, that, I guess, standard, if you want to even call it a standard. That's what's kind of progressed across our country of, well, you know, if you make a, if you do something even a little wrong, everybody pounces on you. And everybody was afraid. Conservatives were afraid. Let's face it. I think before Trump, if Hillary had gotten in, I can tell you, I was not gonna feel safe if Trump hadn't gotten it in. And then when Biden got in, I didn't necessarily feel unsafe, but I knew we were going in the wrong direction. Doomed. But, but I have to interject, I really think that we had to go through the Biden years. Yes. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So then people could actually see what was going on. And I, it. Because now, I mean, Trump, Trump really looks tired. I mean, he's, he looks exhausted. But the lefties are saying, well, his ankles are swollen. He's got this going on, his heart problem. I hope he drops dead and dies. That's what I've been reading and hearing from people. You know, they think that he's got, like, congestive heart failure or something. Maybe he does, I don't know. But we had to go through that Biden nonsense to see how good we really do have it right now, you. Know, but what I was saying was, like, I didn't feel, I thought the country was going to be doomed as far as the direction we are going, but I had hoped that enough people woke up during the first Trump administration that we would not quite get that far. And thank goodness that 2024 came around and Biden's administration did everything that they did that we were able to change this. But had this happened to Charlie, Kirk, Doreen, the Biden administration, nothing, nothing. Can you even imagine we would have. Even heard about it? Right. I mean, it's, and don't get me. Wrong, I'm not saying that, that it should have happened at all, but at this point in time, unfortunately, this tragedy happened. We can't change it. And if you believe destiny or whatever you want to, you know, however you want to praise it, we got to this point, through this period. I, it, it, it's going to unify the country even more because. Or is it going to divide it. More and we're already divided. My opinion,  Pod pinion. We're divided and we're not coming together. I, I agree with that. That's, that's where I'm At I, I, I, we are, and I've said it last couple years, there is no getting us together. I do not believe in communism. I do not believe in socialism. I do not believe in Marxism. And no, I don't go in that way. I'm not, I'm not either. So I, if you believe that, and that's your life, we're not going to get along. Nope. And I'm not willing to compromise. I don't even want to vote for a politician that wants to say, I want to reach across the aisle and work. But no, no, I am not willing to give up one more centimeter of ground to these people. That does not mean I want to go out and wipe them all out. What I mean is you and me, we're not getting along, but I'm going to, I'm going to be the victor here. You're not taking my country. So we will do this my way, our way. And this thing that happened with Charlie Kirk, this tragedy, I think is going to be the spark that hopefully enough people remember in three weeks from now, because everybody forgets, moves on to the next thing, that this is going to push the country in the direction we need to go. And it means the British army was the most powerful thing in the world and they controlled this country. And there was a point where the citizens of under their rule said, yeah, enough's enough. That's enough. It's time. It's time. And. And I really believe that we've reached the tipping point. I am convinced in my heart of hearts, and I don't like saying this. This country is headed for an armed conflict amongst itself. We are headed for a second, either whatever you want to call it, a revolution, another revolution, or another civil war. I do believe it's coming. I do believe that it's a powder keg and somebody's holding the match right above it. And, you know, it's going to be really telling depending on what happens with the next election. Well, what's interesting is that what I've been hearing on, like watching TV or on social media is people are blaming Trump for this, which blows my mind, because they're the ones all these years, defense mechanisms. Right. But I mean, just go back to the George Floyd thing, right? How many did we, Charlie, get shot? Did we go riot, burn, loot, pillage, you know? No, everybody had held like prayer vigils. But during that George Floyd thing, the Summer of Love, right, where they were burning Portland and all these different cities to the ground. Minneapolis. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's crazy. And then they're saying it's Trump's fault. How? Please explain it to me. They view that as a weakness if we're not losing our minds and burning the cities to the ground. Yeah, but I'm look at that as a weakness that they can exploit. This, this first thing. We're not weak. No, we. We want to be left alone. But if you push us to this point, and it doesn't have to be guns ablazing. No, we will conquer you. And there's hopefully at the ballot box. Any gonna be any hopefully. Well, ballot box, you gotta go school board, you gotta go hoas. Well, that's what you're talking about in your little dog. You're short. Yeah. So that's where the point is. Now, obviously, if they want to put together some kind of army or whatever, and good luck with that story, you know, none of us are gonna stand by and watch. Yeah, but that's not who we are. We want to live our lives and be left alone. And now you're starting to kill one of us and many of us, and we're done. It's not who we are. But at the same time, and I know this sounds silly, it is exactly who we are. Or at least it's exactly who we can be. Right. And I don't think that the left understands or even remotely appreciates the amount of restraint that the right has. Oh, it's unbelievable. I mean, inside, my first reaction was absolutely horror when I saw what happened. You know, I watched the video and it's like, oh, my God. And I. The minute I saw it, it's like, there's no way this guy's surviving. I mean, he was dead before he hit the ground. Yeah. And. But now I'm, like, raging inside. But. No, but it's, It's a. It's. You have to get. Unfortunately, we had to go through Biden to get to this point, and Trump is making decisions that he wouldn't or couldn't have made the second term if he had gotten elected instead of Biden. Exactly. So at this point, now the country has to just. We just have to take our country back and that's it. And we're going to do it for Charlie, or however you want to phrase it. But you cannot. We have our values, we have our beliefs. You're welcome to yours. And I full heartily believe that. And you can speak that, but we're running the country this way. We are a constitutional republic. Everybody has rights, including me. And I'm tired of Laying down or playing dead or whatever you want to say. Well, that's the whole problem, Bruce. Hoping that they get it. They're never going to get it. They're never going to get it. They don't want to get it. And I'm sick and tired of keeping my mouth shut. Well, that's why we started this, right? And we talked about it. And it's like we talk about this all the time. And we said, you know, let's do a couple. Let's try a podcast, you know, and here we are. Yeah. Yeah. Comments below, please. But getting back to this Charlie Kirk thing. This. This kid. Now, when I first saw it, I was thinking this had to be like a professional hit. I mean, it looked. It looked like it right? At first it did. And then when I saw the gun, it's like, you got to be kidding me. A sporterized Mauser. You know, it's like the hunting rifle. Basically, after World War II, all these German Mausers and even. Even mil, you know, our military guns, they didn't think they were worth anything. Now they're like, worth a zillion dollars on the collector market. But they would sporterize them, cut the stocks, cut the barrels, make hunting rifles out of them. So that's what this was. It was a sporterized Mauser. And it. But it was rechambered to 3006. They usually were 8 millimeter. And so I was kind of like, wait a minute, a professional hitman wouldn't be using a sporterized Mauser. You know, they would use like a, you know, a regular, you know, like a.300 and.38 Lapua or, you know, something like that. And. And then the video came out from tmz. What I really thought was odd was, I don't know if you saw it. You. You really have been watching the news at all, right? Not the mainstream media. I've given up on the mainstream media. But they were showing the videos of this kid, like, running through the township and, you know, through this neighborhood or whatever. And then they had this press conference the other night, and Cash, Patel and Bongino show up and never said a word. But Patel looked really uncomfortable and nervous. And the next morning, today, boom. Trump comes on Fox and Friends and says they got him. So did they get him last night and just didn't say anything. I mean, how does that work? Well, I know Charlie and Cash. They do each other pretty well, right? They were very good friends. I mean, granted, the guy's upset, right? So I don't know Whether that had any influence in it. But as far as an investigation, you probably be the one to say, you know, did he. If it was ongoing, they didn't catch him or the he didn't turn himself in yet or they knew because apparently I guess the dad somehow was affiliated with the sheriff's department there. I think he was a 27 year veteran or retired after 27 years or so. That's from this, from the sheriff's department. I think so I read that. I can't confirm that. So he was in law enforcement. He was involved in law enforcement and. He'S the one that turned him in. Yeah. Which in reality, I think he told his son, if law enforcement doesn't kill you, the, the mobs are going to find you and they're going to kill you. Your only shot at living is going to be to turn yourself in. I, I don't think his father turned him in to do the right thing. I think his father turned him in out of fear that somebody was going to take his son out. And. But, you know, as far as him being able to comment on, you know, more details. Do you think that was last night you're talking about, like, because it's an ongoing investigation, they don't want to tip anybody off. They're, they're checking or still investigating stuff or. So my take on, on that is this. Immediately when it happened, they grabbed the suspect and they immediately put suspect in custody. Then there was a second and the. Guy looked like Larry David. Yeah. And it turns out neither one of them were the shooter. You know, they were, they were agitators. They were, they were degenerates. They were scumbags, whatever, you know, insert whatever. Do you think they were red herrings? I, I don't, I don't think they were smart enough for that. Okay. I, I don't really don't think that they were decoys. I don't think they were. I just think that they were disgusting individuals that, that attention horse. Yeah. Among some of the other people celebrating. This because the one guy was screaming, shoot him. You know, shoot him again. Shoot him again. Or something. Yeah, it's. But, but at the end of the day, you know, they, they were very, very quick. The news was very quick to announce. No, we, we got. And then you know how the court of public opinion is. Oh, they got him, they got him. And now fry that guy or this. Or they hang him up from the. No, hang him from the yard arm. You know, I think they wanted to be certain. Right. And, and get all of their. You know, they wanted to dot all their eyes and cross all their T's before they came out again and said, not now. We got them. Right. Because, I mean, the first two were. Obviously, the odds are this is the shooter. You know, I mean, I don't think they would have announced it as adamantly as they did. The President of the United States of America made the announcement Right. This morning. Yeah. So. Yeah. So I. I think they just wanted to be certain. Right. And, you know, I. I did not know that Cash Patel and Charlie Kirk had a personal friendship. I can tell you right now, if there was somebody that I was. I was friends with that that happened to. I would not be my normal self either. So he just acted off last night. I'm willing to give him a pass on that. And. And I don't care what anybody else think. Well, you're the head of the FBI. You have to be above your emotion. No, you don't. Right. No, you don't. I think I. I think that the entire country should be mourning right now. Absolutely. Even if you didn't like Charlie Kirk, you should be mourning at what a horrible, horrible example we've just set to the rest of the world. Because we, as Americans, all growing up through the 80s during the Eastern bloc, the Soviet era, and. And. And all of that, we don't do this to our own people. We're better because we don't do this. And now here we are. This is banana republic crap. Absolutely. This is what they do on unnamed islands. You know, cannibals treat each other with better courtesy than this. You know, And I, I. It's. I. I hate using this word now after the Queen of the Witches has used it, but it's deplorable behavior. And I think it. I think that these. These idiots that are making these celebratory videos, I think they are the worst of what the United States has to offer. That. That blows my mind that these people are, like, celebrating the fact that this guy got shot. The sad. The saddest part about that is I knew. I got woken up, I was taking a nap, and a buddy of mine that I'm in a group text with is a friend of mine that I retired from the NYPD with. He was in the aviation unit with me. It was a text that said something along the lines of, you know, them shooting Charlie Kirk. They have no idea what. What they've. You know, what they've done, you know, And I was still groggy, and I was like. I was like, what? And you know, I literally typed what, you know, like, what are you talking about? You know, because it was kind of written in a way that, that he expected. We already knew, right? And, and I didn't. And then he sends me the video. And it, it wasn't the video from far away. It was a close up. It was the video and again, talking about defense mechanisms. I, I saw the video and I said, that's AI, you know, I mean, they're doing amazing things with AI now. And I was like, that's AI. That's somebody trying to troll or clown. My brain didn't allow me to process that that could possibly be real. And sure enough, it was real. And I text, I said, is this real? Did this real? And he said just one word. Yup. And the first thing I thought is, my God, you know, how could this happen to this guy? And then the next thing in my mind, and I kid you not, tomorrow people are going to have posted videos of them celebrating and dancing about it. And it's going to want to make me go out and punch every one of them in the face. And, and I'll do a few days in jail just to punch you in the face. But it's a misdemeanor. But, but, but yeah, it's just, it's, it's embarrassing. And when you're a parent and you're trying to do the right thing and teach your children to, to do the right thing and, and how just to be better, and I am not. That's who was their children, right? I am not a monument to morality. I don't sit here in front of you and from an ivory tower and tell you that I have lived a perfectly pious life. And, and I'm the example. No, not me, but, but I at least know right from wrong. And the example to that is, I think it was about a year ago. I mean, time flies, you know, as we get older, right? Tell me about it. But when Governor Shapiro, who I do not like, I have no respect for him, I do not like him. I want him voted out, but I don't hate him, right? When somebody broke into his home and burned his home with his family and his children inside that home, I was mortified. I was ready to. I, I said, please let this guy come to this part of Pennsylvania so I can find him, so I can do the right thing here. Because sometimes doing the right thing isn't really doing the right thing. And not all justice is dispensed in a courtroom, but. Which is a terrible thing for a Former cop to say. But. But we all know the reality. You heard it here first. You heard it here. But that's my  Pod pinion. I do not represent. I do not represent the New York City Police Department in my  Pod pinions. But. But I was incensed that somebody would do that. And again, I immediately thought, please don't let it have been one of us. And sure enough, it was one of his own, which is really bizarre, but it's really not. They're sick. Yeah. Mental illness. Yeah, they're nuts. But I was mortified at that. And then I look at these savages. Cheering. I mean, people, even if you wanted to break it down and say, I don't feel sorry for Charlie Kirk, you know, he, he said things. He knew the direction that he was going in. Like that idiot from MSNBC said, well, he got fired. They'll hire him back by the end of the week or by the beginning of next week. You know, that's how they do things over there. But, but, you know, he said he knew what he was saying, he knew what he was getting. Even if you want it, just for the sake of argument, you know, let's say, okay, you know, he, he's disparaging Chuck. You had people going on there saying, I don't feel sorry for his kids, I don't feel sorry for his wife. That's a person that. I will say a little prayer tonight as politically incorrect. And as you know, I don't want to alienate your viewers. Those are people who deserve to choke on dinner tonight. They deserve to choke on their dinner tonight for saying that about children. And. No, it's, it's. And that's. It's. We've had that all throughout history, I guess, but now it seems like it's taught. Exactly. I mean, that from your lips to. God's ears mentality is taught. And I don't think that. That'S the guy right there. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. Nate. Nate Burleson, right. He was the one from. He was a former NFL wide receiver. Suggested that Turning Point USA founders words were offensive to specific communities. So he's the one that got axed. And Nate, if you're watching this, you're a scumbag, right? And then, you know, and then Ilhan Omar with her comments. Yeah, but nobody's calling them out on. I, I do believe they think again. They believe they're in charge. They have control of us. And I, I believe they want us to react and start something so that they can come in and Put their thumb down and take control of us. It's not going to happen. Right. They should be careful what they wish for. Exactly. And if they really stopped and talked to people and learned people, like, I know more about them because I'm interested in what they're thinking and why they're thinking it. So I have a lot better understanding of what makes them tick than they know what makes me tick. But they think they know what makes us tick. Well, they know everything. Well, they think we think like them. You know what I mean? Not the same things, but they think our mind processes like that. And it doesn't. No, not at all. So when you have that mentality of, well, it's just, I think it's red and you think it's green, but we think the sand, it's actually blue. What we're thinking the same way. And I'm telling you, no, it's, it's, it's blue. I'm telling you, it's blue. And if they don't process that correctly, which they don't, they have no understanding of who we actually are. And we are just as human, just as emotional, I guess you would say. But we have a way of keeping those emotions in check for the most part. But it's getting harder and harder. Well, that's what they don't understand. Yeah. And, and they, they don't realize the floodgate that they can potentially unleash here. They, they don't. I said it before. They don't comprehend the, the amount of restraint that conservatives have had and not taking certain actions sooner because we're human beings and we understand we live in a nation of laws and that there's a process for things. And we're also talking about a group of people when they make their arguments, just like when Charlie Kirk would make his debates. He debated based off of facts. They debate off of emotion. Right. And they're just not capable of understanding. Now, don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean that there are some very, very sharp, bright Democrats out there. And, and I believe in my heart of hearts that those Democrats are mortified over this. Yeah, probably. And, and I have seen, to be fair, to be fair to those of you out there, there have. I have seen some videos of, of people who are clearly on the left saying that this is not what they signed on to and this is not what, what they believe. And they, and people will say, I hated that man, but he did not deserve this. His children did not deserve this. So I, I don't want to Throw shade at the whole. No, no, absolutely, you can't. But. But so it does need to be said that. That there are Democrats out there that. That. That wholeheartedly disagree with what happened. But those people, I think, are being shunned by the far, far left. I. I believe you're right. You know what I mean? It's like. Like, how did the Jasmine Crockets of the world, like, come into being? You know what I mean? Especially in a red state. Speaking. Somebody voted. Speaking of which, she's in deep doo doo. Well, what she did was. I see what you did there. Yeah, yeah, right. You seen it. So she actually came out and she said that this woman, Kayla Hamilton, who's 20 years old, was sexually assaulted and restrained and strangled to death by an illegal alien. Right. And she came out and said, you take a situation and then you exploit what has happened to not only that person, but you exploit those families and you make it a game. Crockett shouted during a committee debate. Right. Stop just throwing a random dead person's name on something for your own political expediency. And she's still in Congress. See, the thing is September 9th. That would have stuck after September 10th. Yeah. Right. But she should be done. They should throw her out. Well, everybody's got to vote her out, and that's what happens. I mean, she's done anyhow. Because they redistrict Texas. Let her allowed to move to a different state location. Yeah, strict. Whatever. She's got to be. I mean, the woman's not where she shows up. It has to be. And then if a FEMA employee. I mean, all these people. This is. People in government are actually rejoicing in this Charlie Kirk thing. And speaking of voting, if you're not registered to vote, especially after what happened to Charlie Kirk. Charlie can't vote anymore. We all got to do it. We all got to get this country back. Go register tomorrow. It's not that hard. It takes, what, 20 minutes? Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Find Scott Pressler. He's at all these fairs. He'll sign you right up there. Go register to vote and go out and vote. It's not scary. It's. It's easy. You color a circle. Stop hitting the news button. Right, right. It's. If you don't do it now, there may not be a tomorrow to do it. You gotta do it now. I mean, how many people that we know don't vote? Yeah, we've talked about it with the. The Hunters. Yeah, Hunters in Pennsylvania don't vote. No, I know. And which Makes no sense to me at all. Excuse me, my frog in my throat. Then a FEMA employee got placed on leave. Now, why this person didn't get fired is beyond me. Right. They put him on leave. So he is all upset because Trump signed an executive order having all the flags in the United States at half maths for Charlie Kirk. So he's all. He's called him a racist, homophobic, blah, blah, blah. Right. So Kristi Noem placed this guy on federal leave. He's a Federal Emergency Management Agency employee on administrative leave. See, he's still getting paid, though. That's what pisses me off. These people should get fired. No unemployment, no nothing. Get out now. I mean, I got into it with a lady at the post office who works there, right. We got into this and she said, I'm really pissed that we have to fly the. We got a directive from the postmaster general. They have to fly their flags at half mast. And she said, why? This guy wasn't. He wasn't an elected official. He was. Wasn't a dignitary. I said he was an American. Why did they fly the flags at half mast when Whitney Houston died? Thank you. That's what I was just about to say. A crackhead, right? Exactly. Yep. So I don't get it, but these people should be fired. No. Absolutely. Out the door. That's it. On the good note though, if you look on X is one of one thing that I go on. There is a lot of accountability being done today and yesterday for these people that have posted and their, you know, wives that are making fun while their husband's business, these. At his business. And I, I read one, one barbecue place, I don't remember what state it was in. He posted something and he has a barbecue business in one of these coliseums and they made the announcement they're no longer doing business with this barbecue place. Good. So it is. It is. Unfortunately, it's taken something tragedy like this and I, I don't want to diminish the, the tragedy with the Ukrainian girl. That was, that young girl. That's horrible. Because Charlie was very passionate about that as well. But all this leading up to this, it's. I, I hope and pray that this is the turning point for this country in the direction it needs to go. I hope so. So. Well, here's another one. Top university administrator calls Charlie Kirk assassination fair due to stance on guns. So I've heard this from other people too, about this gun thing. Now I got into it with a friend of mine last night on Facebook. I Don't think I told you this. Did I tell you no? Or maybe I told you and I didn't tell you. So he put up a thing that they there should be a gun ban, a complete gun ban. Like Australia, right? Look how great it is in Australia or Norway. But then the guy went on a rampage, stabbing like how many people, right? So I said, well, you're a hunter, so you're going to give up your hunting gun? Well, no, they should ban military weapons. That's what he used. I said, he used a hunting rifle, same as yours, you know. Well, same caliber, but. So he had a Mauser. You have a Remington 700. What's the difference? It's a hunting rifle. No, it was a military. Blah, blah. So what I did was I took every single gun law since 1934 with the description and a link to it at the ATF website, right? And I posted it and I said, okay, so here are all the gun laws. 60,000 plus pages. Please read all 60,000 plus pages. And that's just federal, not including state, local, county, you know, whatever. And then get back to me about what new law is going to change anything. Crickets, one of his friends commented about. I don't know what I'm talking about. That's a good go to. Yeah, right. And you know. He really got you with that. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm shaking in my boots, boy. So showed you. Yeah, showed me big time. So I came back with another retort with a bunch more laws, right? Because he started about this whole assault weapon thing and I said, well, give me a definition of an assault weapon. Like give me the Department of Defense's definition of an assault weapon. And of course he didn't say anything. And I said, well, Josh Sugarman, who, if none of you know, is this anti gun zealot from like the 80s who coined the term assault weapon in an article that he wrote and he, he did the Joseph Goebbels thing and said if you repeat this phrase long enough, people will actually believe it. And here we are. For those viewers, it's a pen. He assaulted me. I just assaulted him. This is now an assault weapon. So anyhow, it's that easy. It makes me nuts. Yep, it really makes me crazy. I'm losing my voice. I don't know what happened. I got so excited. I got. Oh, man. You guys continue. I'm going to get a cup of hot coffee. I'll be right back. All right, so, yeah, no, I think get back to all these comments. It, it's just like we're, we're at that point in time that we, we just need to take our country back. Now, I, I wholeheartedly agree. The difference is I don't like it, but I don't see. We cannot vote our way out of this. We cannot legislate our way out of this. And unfortunately, the way to take the country back is not pretty. Well, I, I believe if the. All right, the stance on the federal government with the illegals, for instance, the illegal aliens, getting them out of the country, the start with the really hard criminals, get them out of here first. Get them all out. In my opinion, all of them. I don't care. Criminal. I'm saying, I'm just saying. But now we need accountability, too. We, we need the example of. In other words, your analysis of it's not pretty can change if we see accountability come from these people that have put Charlie Kirk's life at being ended with the rhetoric, with their money, with their cheating and lying. If somebody's held accountable. And I'm not talking about, you know, the cameraman for cnn. Yeah. You know, that shows the example that we are really trying as a government entity to change the, the country itself. And without some sort of example that way, I don't know where it's going to go in a couple years. You know, and I agree with you. But the, the problem is in the last election, we, I say we collectively, meaning the, the Republican side or the conservatives, got the White House, got the House, got Congress, got Senate. But the Democrats, for whatever reason, probably because of all the judges that Obama appointed and then the judges that Biden appointed, you know, we just couldn't keep up with that influx of lower level judges. Whether we like it or not, the Democrats own the judicial, the judicial system. Right. And interestingly enough, you know, a lot of people think it's, it's so funny how little people remember of history and how little they really understand about it. Well, they don't teach it in school anymore. Not the proper way. Correct. And, you know, we talk about how we have checks and balances in our government. We have an executive, a legislative and a judicial branch, and they're ones meant to balance out the other. The judicial branch was never designed to be as powerful as the executive branch. It was never designed for that. But right now, what President Trump is trying to do, we've got judges on essentially somewhat local levels, comparatively. I mean, yeah, they're district judges, so it's not like, you know, the, the, you know, the Mayberry courthouse, but on significantly lower level Courts, they're stopping the, the most powerful man in the world from instituting policy. And in, in my opinion, in most cases, good policy, right? Oh, no, we're just, boom, stamp it done. No, now you can't do it. And what always. And this has been a chip on my shoulder for many years, and maybe I'm wrong about this, but, you know, perception is reality, and this is how I, is my perception of it. When the Republicans do something that the Democrats don't like, they get an injunction. Here it is, boom. Gotta stop doing it right now. Right now. And, and whatever you implemented that already took effect now that's reversed. Right. But when the Democrats do something and the Republicans put an injunction on, seems that it doesn't stop it immediately. It continues going on, and it's got to go through this court and that court in this court, and there's always going to be somebody there to stymie it or to delay it. And for some reason, it just seems like they get to do what they want and they have the power of the, the judicial system that's stopping the Republicans and it's, it's exhausting. Or. And is it that they are just going to do it anyway? In other words, they're going to keep doing what they're doing until maybe it gets to the Supreme Court, and then they're just going to do it anyway and nobody holds them accountable. Well, we know, we know that that's, that's what they're going to do because the Supreme Court made several decisions that Joe Biden said, I'm doing it anyway. Right. Yeah, he, he knows at him. Yeah, yeah, he, he said, well, well, they told me I couldn't do it, but they didn't stop me. Well, yeah, it was this why school tuition thing. Maybe because we believe that the judicial system is not supposed to be as powerful as the executive branch. Yeah, but when a Supreme Court says no and he continues to do it. Right, but then what happens? Nothing. You're saying what. But what happened? Nothing. What the defense mechanism, or whatever you want to call it, for conservatives, it's like, okay, well, you know, we always kind of make an excuse for it or whatever, maybe silently. And somebody's on. I'm just pulling at straws here, just trying to make sense of it. But technically that is, except for the Supreme Court, that is the way it's supposed to go is for the most part, if it's within the executive. Okay. Power. But let's just take the Supreme Court for an example, what he was talking about. Biden, they said that he. The whole thing he was doing with the school loans. Right, right. They said, no, you can't do that. And he thumbed his nose at the Supreme Court of the United States and did it anyhow. Who's gonna stop him? Right. That's my point. Right. So somebody should be in prison. Right. They said, no, and he said, f you, and he just continued doing it. So who's the person that is supposed to. Nobody on the right is doing it, doing anything. Yeah, but doesn't the Supreme Court have. Shouldn't they have called the Department of Justice and said, hey, boom. I don't think they. How does that work? I don't think they. They have the power to actually, you know, prosecute or, or suggest any charges or. I'm not sure exactly on that, but. We need a lawyer. Put your, put your comments down here. Educate us. Well, let's, let's look at it this way. And again, this is going to sound like I'm going off on a tangent, so that's okay. But that's what we do every week. But let's, let's take the two major incidences. And when I say that, I'm talking about George Floyd, who killed himself on a drug overdose, and Derek Chauvin is in prison unjustly. That's my  Pod pinion, because when all the evidence came out, it showed he was never on his neck. Right. But to this day, they will still swear he killed him and he was. On his neck, but he was on his back. Yeah. And they showed the reverse footage that showed he was not on his neck. But anyway, I say that to say this, George Floyd, Charlie Kirk. George Floyd was a career criminal. He was a drug addict. He was a drain on society, and there was nothing redeemable about that man whatsoever when he killed himself. The country erupted, burned down cities. There were. There were laws written. There were signs that had to go up. Black Lives Matter. And there was an entire nationwide movement that was born out of a lie that, that stemmed from that running so deep that people were so afraid and organizations were so afraid that even an organization like the Boy Scouts of America had to create a badge specifically to try to indoctrinate young Scouts into the line of thinking about how what happened to him was bad. And we need to teach you that you're bad. And really what it was, and I'm going to be quite honest here, it was a push at white guilt. And the Boy Scouts of America, not only did they create that badge, but they made it. If you Want to reach the highest level of Boy Scouts to the Eagle Scout rank, which is a coveted rank. You had to have that badge. There was no getting away from it. That's ridiculous. That's the truth. And you can look that up. Internet. Thank you. Al Gore. He practiced this all day. I've been waiting for the opportunity. But. But. So to get back what I was saying, statues were erected of this guy, of a degenerate Charlie Kirk. The media barely covered it. Right. And when they did cover it, they made it out like this was his fault. Right. Or Trump's fault. Yeah. Where's the statue of Charlie Kirk? Right. You're never going to see it. And there's. If I. If I can name drop, I don't, you know, another YouTuber that I happen to watch. That's fine. A YouTuber I happen to be a big fan of. His name is Mark Dice. He made the recommendation that every college in the United States should have a Charlie Kirk Hall. Absolutely. And I actually happen to believe, with that, to believe that, you know, this. This man did more good for what the United States of America is supposed to be than any other political pundit out there, whether you agreed with him or not. Kind of going around a circle, and I'm being a little redundant. No, but he was First Amendment all the way. All the way. And they killed for exercising the right that those idiots claim. First Amendment. Trump's gonna take our rights. And you know, all the shrieking and the screaming and the clawing and hemming and hawing and then, you know, just hold up a mirror to them. It is really, truly amazing how ignorant these people are as to what they're saying. But George Floyd had an entire movement made after him. What are we going to do for Charlie Kirk? And I really hope the answer is something. And not burning down every Wendy's and every gas station that we see. I really hope the man's memory cannot fade away. Exactly. It just can't. Otherwise, we have failed. Well, I heard something on the news this morning. They were talking about that his. I mean, Trump was talking about this on Fox. He had talked to Charlie's wife yesterday, I believe, and he said, you know, she's absolutely more. You know, she's. She's like beyond. But she wants to keep turning Point alive. And there's like a thousand employees nationwide, so they all want to do that. And then there's GoFundMe. There was a GoFundMe, but there's also some fake GoFundMes out there, just so you know. You know, there's a Gibbs and go to. Right. But go. Go to the Turning Point USA website. And they've got the links to the GoFundMe, you know, fundraisers for the family. But she wants to keep it going, so hopefully they will. So people like us have to support that organization, and I think that's how it's going to. And hopefully there's more. More people coming out. Like, I. I see a lot of. Some of the people that. No, Ben Shapiro made comments. He's another one online that I just saw. I don't know, nine or 12 of them. It's like, now I'm Charlie Kirk. Now I'm Charlie Kirk. And that's what we need. We need everybody to. To be part of this. Just tell. Just tell the truth, right? Facts. Instead of making all this crap up. Because I'm sick of it. I really am. I mean, I've been ostracized, you know, I don't know how many times by people because I believe what I believe. And they'll say whatever they want to say behind your back. Right. You know, closed doors, whatever, just to make you look bad. I wear it like a badge of honor now. I really. That's how I feel about it. That's how I feel about it. Yeah. I. I am unapologetic about it. And. And I have been for quite a while, ever since I left the police department. Because you have to be very careful what you say in the police department. Otherwise you lose your job. Yeah. And. And they will fire you like that. But. Or they'll at least make your life very miserable. But I don't. Once I retired, I. I real. Now. Now I can say whatever I want. And freedom. And I do. Freedom. That's why we. That's why we asked about. But. But yeah, it's. It just. It is. The irony is not lost on me how the celebrity status that this animal, George Floyd, and that's what he was. Was. Was elevated to a deity status. And I just can't square with the idea that he will be remembered more than Charlie Kirk will. I just. I can't. I'm not okay with that. Right. I'm not either. Well, any of those people remember the guy in Baltimore? The cop shot him. You remember that one? Which one was that? Yeah, which one? Exactly my point. I mean, there's been so many. No, this was around the same time, right after George Floyd. There was a cop was in his car and a guy like, accosted him and the cop shot him through the window. Oh, yeah, yeah, right. The cop got in trouble and they made a big thing about this guy. Of course they did. You know, and thank God they had body. You know, there was a body cam so he could see what was happening. But this guy was attacking the cop, and the cop shot him. In self defense. Well, in a little bit of justice and. And poetic. What's the word? Poetic justice, I guess. Yeah. The. The idiot that formed the whole hands up, don't shoot lie. Yeah. Was just killed by the very people that he started the. But that. I saw that. Now that you mention it, that is kind of funny. Well, it's ironic. Well, yeah, but. But it's. And then the I can't breathe crap. Yeah. All of that. It's. It's just. And. And that became a hot topic, you know, with us in the police department. We had to receive training and. And imagine you went through the police academy. You've been taught how to physically subdue people, how to, you know, because I'll let you in on a trade secret. When it comes to law enforcement, not everybody wants to be cuffed sometimes. Sometimes they try not to let you. Right. It's crazy. Well, you put your. You put your knee right there. Yeah. So it's funny you say that, because this training, you know, we've been taught in the academy, this is how we do it. We actually called it, believe it or not, pain compliance. And I don't have any problem with that. You've got a violent individual, and you got to get them under control because his intention is to hurt you and then hurt other people. Well, it became. Anything that can be construed to obstruct breathing or an airway, you, as the police officer, are going to get arrested. They didn't say you're going to get administratively punished. They said, we will arrest you. Wow. And this is real. Look it up on the Internet. No, I believe you. Thank you. Thank you, Al Gore. All right, I'll stop doing it. It's just funny every time to me. Yeah, we'll play along. Yeah. Every single time, we'll play along. But. At least he didn't call it the interwebs. Yes, thank you, algorithm. Thank you, Al Gore. But, but yeah, I forgot where I was going with this, because now we're on the Al Gork. We're on the pain. Oh, pain compliance. Yeah. Imagine now you've been taught that way. That's doctrine to you. And then you've got 15 years on the job, 16 years on the job, and now all of a sudden, because of this incident, you can no longer do this or you're going to get thrown in jail. And make no mistake, that was exactly what they told us. Those, exactly. They're going to go, it's like second nature now. And how do you unlearn that? So they sent us to training for that and it was the most ridiculous training that you've ever seen. And it's really funny because with a police department as big as the NYPD you have, there is no shortage of liberal minded cops on the job. Eric Adams. Right? Yeah. So the people who were teaching us these techniques, like they're telling you, like they're true believers, like they really think, no, this is going to work. And it's a no. You have to take them by the arm and you can only, you can only put weight on their arm or on their lower leg. Meanwhile, the person is like trying to beat the shit out of you. Well, what's, what's really funny is, you know, when you first, you know you're right out of this training. You're trying to do it and the guys are laughing at you. The perp is laughing at you. Are you serious? Really? Swear on my mother's eyes. They're laughing at us and they're calling us names and they're telling us, you can't touch me, you can't get me in cuffs. So they knew already. They knew. Remember, there are advocates who, their only job is to read and interpret the new policies that the NYPD puts out and then immediately disseminate that information to the Nair do wells. Now is that like the, the ACLU. Or is that the ACLU is, is, I can't say outright without getting risk of sued by the aclu. So I won't say that it was actually the ACLU that does it, but it's a group like that and people who would work for them, you know, people like minded with them. Right. But I, I, I can't confirm that it was the ACLU that would do it, but they, that is the kind of thing that they would do because. Yeah, exactly. That's the word I'm looking. Wow. So the perps would actually sit there and laugh at you. They would laugh at us. They laughed at us. And you can't take me, you can't touch me. And it just. So now we have to make a decision. I either put my elbow or my knee on this guy's back to get him from, you know, to get his arms behind his back and risk going to jail, lose my pension, lose my ability to Feed my family, lose my house, lose all of that or let them go. Yeah, see, guys would let him go. Let them go. Yeah. I mean, and, and the childish, I don't want to say childish because it's not really childish, but the defeatist, that's really the better word. The defeatist attitude that we started to accept is, look, we're going to let this guy go because that's what you voted for the people of New York City. But the reality of the situation is not everybody in New York City voted for that. And those people deserve better than cops saying just let them go. Right. And, but it becomes very scary when you realize. You could lose everything. Forget about losing your job. I may go to jail for this. And anybody out there in, in the comments section that thinks I'm being hyperbolic, you either are a lefty or you've never strapped on a uniform and a gun and a shield or worked any job that you have to do where you wear a gun and a shield just to do the basic functions of your job. And you have no idea what it's like to be a police officer because anybody out there that's watching that either is or was a police officer knows that every word I'm saying right now is the God's honest truth. I think I told you about my friend. He's a cop around here and he pulled over. He was working a night shift and he pulled over a car at

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00 clock in the morning full of illegal aliens. Six people from Venezuela actually. Right. No. No ID. Not one of them would speak English. Not that they couldn't. They just refused to or played that they couldn't. And they had probably all good dads. Yeah. Right. And so, and then he found, they found drugs in a car, stolen car. No. Yeah. God forbid. I don't believe a word of it. Right. Anyhow, so he calls for backup, they impound the car, they arrest these six guys, they take them to the county lockup, the magistrate let them out under their own recognizance the next morning. And he said, why am I doing this? Like why. That's that defeatist attitude that starts to creep in. But it's, it's, he's fighting that and. It'S, it's not just the defeatist attitude. It's self preservation. Right. For, for your. Well, they're going, they're. I just talked to him recently and he and his partner that they're going to this training. It's like a week long, eight hours a day of like what you were talking about with the, the, the verbiage. You can't. You have to call it something else than what it really is. And he said it's the biggest bunch. Of bullshit I've ever heard in my verbal judo. Yeah, right. He said it's ridiculous. It's like you can't call somebody a drug addict anymore. You have to call them like, you know, chemically dependent or something stupid. You know, food insecure. Right. That's, that's what this whole class. Next time you see. You know who I'm talking about, next time you see him, ask him about it. I mean, we were cracking up the other day, but he said it is so absurd. And the two of them are just sitting in this class going like, I can't wait to get out of here. Eight hours of this nonsense every day for a week. Yeah. So I guess. And this is the new, the new DA put this in place. Wonderful. Right. So, I mean, obviously it's the fetus attitude or however you want to phrase it, and it's self preservation. Right. That may. Basically that's what it is. Right. You know the problem now that was shown with Charlie Kirk. They're gonna kill you. No matter how good or how much you. Yeah. They don't want. They just want you dead. They're gonna kill you. So. And that's what I think most people don't understand about the communist, Marxist, socialist mentality is they're gonna use you until you get to the point where you're going, wait a minute. And that's the last thing you're gonna see because they don't care about you. At its root, it's terrorism. Because what they want is they. Their message was, anybody else out there that wants to step into Charlie Kirk's shoes, look what's waiting for you. Exactly. Well, actually, Greg Gutfeld the other night was right after this happened. He said, when my wife, When I go home tonight, my wife is going to tell me. Because he had a bunch of dates coming up, you know, outside, you know, amphitheaters or whatever, that she's not going to want me to do these gigs. And he said, I'm still going to do them. I am not going to live in fear. Now, I think maybe under the circumstances, he should rethink that somehow. Or any of those conservative speakers, they should start rethinking it. It. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. It's. It's a mixed bag. Yeah. Again, at its, at its core, you're 100% right. But then they Win. Right. That's exactly what they want. What they want. And, and, and that's the only way they can win. And, and really. And that's how they're winning. I mean, think about it. Half of this country does not know what the definition of a woman is. Right? Half of this country doesn't. Doesn't know. They know, but they won't admit it. And, and those are the people. I mean, you, you drive around, you look around, you see, you know, people who can't read. I seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. That is, that's for you, Bobby. That's for you. For you. That is an American voter. That's an American voter. And these people that are cheering for the demise of Charlie Kirk, every single one of them is an American voter, which is scary. And I don't know, these people, it's like a hydra, you know, you cut the head off the height, one head and two more sprout up. I don't know, these people are multiplying almost like something from outer space, you know? Yeah, but, but that's, but that's the point. They're, they're. Whether you've been trying to do their will or when you're no longer useful, you're dead. Yeah, that's, that's, that's the mentality of the, the Marxist. And you can look at Mao, you can look at, you know, Stalin, you can look at all the histories of the mass murders and killings and hundreds of thousands of people wiped out. That's the end game. And that is the fear to permanently place people under that. If you go out of step, that's what's going to happen to you. Yuri Besmanov gave a. Yeah, I don't want to say a speech, I don't know the right word for it, but a commentary in the 80s talking about how communism works and how it, it's. I remember, I remember that. That was great. And, and he kind of let. He broke down the groups of people. And the people you're talking about are what he classified as the useful idiots. Yes. We don't need to expend energy on them. They're already believers and they're going to toe the line. And when it's time, we eliminate them. Exactly. We don't need to feed those people anymore, you know? Exactly. The ones that are on the right, we're never going to get through to them. Don't even bother. It's the ones in the middle that we have to go for. And the, the scary part is this was in the 80s when he did this. When he. When he did this. This interview. And if you go back and you watch through the 90s and then the early 2000s, here we are now, the whole thing, everything he said, said that was going to happen, happened, is happening. And. And we're in the last stage of it now. Yep. And, you know, piggybacking off of what you said, it's. I believe it's already too late. And. And when I say that, I mean, that's going back to what I said before in order to take the country back. It won't be pretty. So you don't think we can do it through the ballot box? No, I don't. Okay. I don't. I really don't. I. I believe that that ship has sailed. And. And just to be clear, I'm not advocating for. For violence. I'm just saying that what I'm afraid of is that whether I advocate for it or not, violence will be upon us. And it already is. You know? Exactly. The first shots have already been fired. The question is, where do we go? The big thing, Derin, is they're telling us or they're pointing fingers at conservatives. We're supposed to be the one to start now. Yeah. We're starting this crap. Meanwhile, they're the ones who are shooting people. Yeah. Even the mass shooters. All this stuff is all lefties. But. But we're the bad guys. It's. It's just. It's. It's complete madness. And. And I don't believe we have diverged so far in the political system in this country that, like I said earlier, and we kind of all agreed. I don't even want to vote for somebody who says I want to reach across the aisle with the other side. No, no, no. I don't. I don't want. I don't want to be friends with you. There are people that I. People that were at my wedding that I. I don't even call anymore because I'm. I want my last words that I spoke with them to have been friendly. Right, Right. And I don't know where it would go. I know if. If I had. If I call them and I have a conversation with them, we're gonna end on bad terms. And these are people that were very close to me, close to my heart, and I just want to remember them as my friends, but I don't even want to be friends with people that are. That are like this anymore. I just. I just don't even want to do it. It's. It's just too exhausting. Oh, it is. It's. It's an energy suck. Complete energy suck. Because you're afraid to say the. You're going to say the wrong thing or you're going to piss them off or whatever. Eggshells. Yeah. And you're. Which I don't pretend to do anymore. No. Right. Yeah, I don't either. Yeah. No, it's. No, it's. You're wrong. Yeah, right. You're wrong. That's it. I'm not, I'm not going to budge. There's. There's no debate to be had because what's happening now is the debates that are going on is an unstoppable force is hitting an immovable object. And, and that's where we are with our political views now. And I'm sure you have your outliers and Charlie Kirk himself. I've watched beautiful moments where he's changed people's minds. That's. Yeah, he kind of. He. Somebody saw the light, you know, but that's really rare. It's extreme. It's the exception, not the rule. And there is just no more purpose because you get morons like the aforementioned AOC and Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib and, and those zeros. My question is how do they keep getting reelected? Because the other zeros that believe in their rhetoric that that's who lives in their district. It's unbelievable. But that's why I'm saying there's too much of a disparity between the right and the left now to come to a peaceful agreement. To me, it's common. It's common sense, though. Common sense isn't so common. Okay. That's, that's the problem with common sense is common sense isn't common. Because if there were common sense, there wouldn't be cops. Exactly. Or you wouldn't work. Good parenting. Right. You know what I mean? Our job as, as parents is to teach our children common sense. And, and right from wrong and. Right. But look at, look at some of the. Look at this kid. Yeah, right. And. And his father was a cop. And, and I. In no way, shape or form am I blaming the father. Because a lot of people love to say they immediately go to the easy, oh, it's the parents. It's the parents. Let me tell you something. I have been to Holmes as a cop on patrol. I have been to homes because the kid was a complete screw up. And this kid's poor mother, single mother in tears in her kitchen. I never taught him this. I teach him not to do this. It's the friends that he hangs out with. I tell him he can't hang out. And you. And I will tell you I have walked out of some of those houses and bawled my eyes out in it just. Just for the. Out of sadness for that. That mother and empathy for that mother and just really good people that just. That just to have rotten kids. Defective units is the best way to put it. And I have seen kids that were great kids do good in school, get their asses kicked in school by the other kids. And in their home. We go to their home because there's a domestic dispute and both of their parents are exactly what you should teach your kids not to be. And yet this kid at this age, a freshman in high school, realizes these are two examples of what not to be. So it's not always the parents. So I don't know what this kid's father taught him, and it isn't my place to speculate on it. Although as human beings, we're always going to speculate. Oh, yeah. You know, we all like to try to take the high road. It's not for me to judge. We're all going to judge. Yeah. But. Well, I'm thinking if the fa. We discussed this before we. We started was that the father turned them in. So obviously the father's got some kind of moral character, I would think, or hope. We like to think. So is it moral character or was it out of pure, unadulterated fear that if I. If I don't get this kid to turn himself in, he's gonna die, somebody's gonna. He's gonna die anyhow because they're gonna put him in front of a firing squad in Utah. From your lips to God's ears, hopefully. Right. But. But there's a legal game that they can play. Oh, he's not right in his mind. I mean. I mean, the kid, from what I understand, there's a chance. Well, he was an engineering student, went to that college for one semester, evidently, and then went to. He was a. He went to another college, transferred to another college, and he was in some kind of apprenticeship program for the past couple years. So he wasn't a dummy. Well, whatever he was, he's a murderer. Right. But I. I really. I don't know. There was always that chance that, you know, maybe, you know, we plead some kind of a mental illness or something, and he gets life in prison, and then you don't have to watch your son die. You know what I mean? But, you know, make no mistake, no matter how much people want to take the high road, no matter how much it's advocated for, that's not who we are. That's not what we do. There are plenty of Charlie Kirk supporters and Charlie Kirk fans that are out there that would have loved to have gotten a crack at this kid. Oh, absolutely. And I would even be willing to bet that they were out there actively hunting him. I wouldn't doubt it. And his father being a 27 year veteran, if that's what he was, police officer or sheriff's deputy, whatever he was, he knows that. And did he turn him in out of moral character or did he turn him out, turn him in out of fear for his son or made an. Example or to save his own butt for harboring a fugitive? That can't be overlooked. Right. The second you said it, I was, I don't think that's what it is. And then I gave it a thousandth of a second pause and then could be it's not outside the realm of possibility. Not at all. It's not a ridiculous thing. And then from what I heard today on the interwebs, thank you, Al Gore. Thank you, Al Gore. Every time he had. Why is this crack? It's just always funny to me and it will always be funny to me. Stupid, but. I invented pants. You're right. We're having fun. You haven't noticed your kid is totally bored. But he's got his earbuds in and he's got his earbuds in. He's like completely somewhere else, but that's okay anyhow. Yeah, right. But what I was going to say was not only is the father. This is just a hypothesis. My, my, this is. Bruce is usually the conspiracy theorist. Right. But I'm going for it tonight. He ran out. Well's dry. So my watching this the past couple days since I'm such a news junkie. So okay, so the old man is in law enforcement. His kid kills Charlie Kirk. So now the kid goes home, which I think is stupid. I mean it was think by, by this time he could have been like in Europe or something, right? Yeah. Hop a plane, disappear. But so the old man turns him in to save his own butt for not getting prosecuted for harboring a fugitive. Then there's a bunch of kids that evidently friends of this guy that helped him. This is what I heard today, you know, reading and, and listening on, on the Internet. Thank you, Al Gore. Thank you, Al Gore. And on some of the mainstream media they were talking about that, that some of his friends actually Helped him do this. Pulling it off, like, just from, like, dropping him off at a certain spot, picking this up. Picking. Doing this, doing. Because it just doesn't make sense. Well, I guess we'll find out when they tell this kid that they're gonna kill him. Right? But will he really care if he's, like, you know, that far out, or. If, in a desperate attempt to save his own life, he starts singing like a bird? Right. Exactly. Now, do you. In your. In your police head, do you think that this was like a larger, like, thing, or do you think it was like a lone wolf? I do believe there were other people involved with it to some degree. Exactly what you just said. Even if it was something as simple as giving him a ride there so that he wouldn't be seen carrying the rifle or, you know, helping him conceal. They were showing some video, I think TMZ had, it, where he was limping. Yeah, he had it shoved down his pants. It was a. I mean, I was thinking about this because I have. I have a sporterized Mauser that I hunt with. Right. And I'm thinking, might want to get rid of that. Yeah, right. No, the thing shoots great. I mean, it really. I mean, it's taken down many a deer anyhow. But I was thinking, like, sticking that down your pants like that, that's got to be, like, really uncomfortable, especially with a scope on it. And it was a big scope, right? So now if you took the scope off and threw it in a backpack, now you put the scope back on. How do you zero your gun again? Right. This is all the stuff that's been going through my brain. I've had so many thoughts on this and different directions it could have gone in. And I mean, to get back to your original question, do I think he was a lone wolf, or do I think he acted within concert? I do believe that there were other people that not only assisted him to some. Even if it was an infinitesimal minute degree, I believe that there were people who knew he was going to do it, and they did nothing. So they're all accomplices then? Well, technically speaking, they. Their defense could be. Listen, people say crazy things all the time. I say, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna go outside right now, and I'm gonna throw a rock. Rock into the window of. Of the next car that comes down that street. And. And we're all laughing and joking in here like old buddies. And. And he's not really going to do that. And the next thing you know, you hear crash, oh, my God, he did it. You know what I mean? Right? They will all have that defense. Yeah, he said he, you know, I hate Charlie Kirk too, but, you know, we were all just talking about what we wish would happen, but we didn't think he would really do it, you know, so they will all have that as a defense. They would have to prove that they had a hand in the planning, the execution and the escape for, for them to be convicted. Right. Or even considered to be charged with. Probably have probable cause to charge these kids with any kind of accessory. But that's why, that's one of the things I thought about immediately was the old man turned him in just to save his own butt. You know, that's just my thought. It's like I said, it's. It's not a ridiculous notion to think about, but I also. It's a rough one. It's. Parents will do a lot for their children. They will do. They will dig down into reserves of emotions they did not know that they had in order to, to support their child in whatever they think is the best way. And it's difficult for me to put myself in this man's shoes because I like to believe that I have raised my son to not be that monster. Right. To do that to someone. Well, having met your kid on several occasions, I don't think he is that monster as he sits here laughing at me. But, you know, but, but having said that, sitting there and thinking the masses are going to tear my child limb from limb with their bare hands, if necessary, and make no mistake, they would do it. I wanted to do it. I want. I said a little prayer, even though I'm not a pious person. Please let me find this guy because he is not going to court if I find him. You know, that was my immediate emotional response. Exactly. And it's like, I mean, I think we all felt. No, absolutely, you know, and rage and anger. His father being a 27 year. Again, we're presuming he was a 27 year veteran of the police. I think that's accurate. I just, but yeah, we're going on that presumption. Right? Law and order. There's a process. And guilty or not guilty, my son deserves his day in court. Okay. And his father may. And I'm not saying this is what he did. I'm just offering account. It's a  Pod pinion. It's not even necessarily my  Podpinion. I'm just, it's, it's a possibility, it's a possible outcome. It could have Been that, that it could have been that his father, being in law enforcement, was a staunch fan of Charlie Kirk because the majority of law enforcement is typically light. Light is typically right leaning. And this was just something I, you know, I can't accept that my son did this to a righteous person and he, he must face the music. So I know I'm kind of digging a little deep here and going off on different, different avenues. That's why we asked you here. But, you know, I, I try and there are, there are contingencies that I might not have thought of. I want you to put your Sherlock Holmes hat on here, you know. Well, I kind of am right now, but, but I was listening. I was, Was primarily a helicopter pilot for the cops. I wasn't a detective. No, I understand that detectives had an inbox even when they were off, they had work coming in. I never wanted to be a detective. I just wanted to fly their helicopters, which is cool. But. No, you have, you have a very analytical, analytical mind as you can look at things and, and see things from a different perspective than we could. Yeah, but. And, and to be quite honest with you, whatever reason he had for turning in his son, or at least convincing his son to turn himself in, which I think is technically really what happened. Right? Yeah. I'm glad that it, that that happened. When it first happened, my wife said to me, they're never going to find this kid. That's what I thought. They're never going to find him. I thought it was going to be another Richard Rudolph thing or another Eric Freeman deal. And my answer to her immediately. Yeah, you said that to me, too, in a text message. Yes, I said. These are the exact words I said to my wife. I said, not only are they gonna find him, they're gonna find him by Friday. I have the text, man, I can, I can show it to you. He said that. And, and the reason I said that, because my wife said, why do you think that? And I said, okay, fair question. I just made a bold statement, you know, So I said, these people cannot help themselves. Somebody who pulled off. And I'm going to call it a mission, for lack of a better term. But that was this kid's mission. He pulled off a successful mission. He will not be able to. These people cannot. It's funny, because these are the ones that yell the loudest. I know my rights. I have the right to remain silent. Yes, stupid, you do. You just don't have the ability to. Right. And so you think this, this kid started yapping. I knew he would start yapping and, and somebody was gonna realize, holy Christ, this kid is in my house. Whether it was his father, whether it was one of his friends, whether it was a third party, you know, this kid is in my house talking about how he just murdered somebody. I am going to be on the hook for harboring a fugitive. That's what I just said. Yes, Right. With the father. So, but you know, that, that is something that can't be overlooked. And, you know, you think he just. Opened his mouth to the wrong person. That, that's why, the right person. Yeah, that's why I, I, they're not only going to catch him, they're going to catch him by Friday. And here we are on Friday and he's on the news, you know, we got him, you know, now, and two other friends of mine said the same thing. We don't think, I think they're never going to find this guy. And I told them too. And I have the text messages to. Show that you just want a new car. Well, you know, this is one of those things where I wish I was right about things that pertained to me and my personal success the way I'm right about calling these things the running joke I have with my, with my son. And he's probably rolling his eyes right now. Yeah, he is. Is. I have. And we as parents have the ability to see the future. And I'll use something very benign. And Bruce had the ability to see the future a few minutes. Well, actually at this point, it's a little while ago. Is that can going to be okay there? Are you going to knock it over? Right. He was foretelling the future. You know, it's, you know, we're talking about. So, you know, it's, and again, I'm going off on a tangent because it's what I do, but I feel like. It, it illustrates my Italian in you. It's the, it's the, it's the Italian and I can't help myself. So, you know, when, when my son was younger, you know, we're eating dinner and he scoops the food and tries to bring it to his plate and it falls down on the, on the table. It's a small child in Zaire saw that coming. Move your plate over to the pan and then scoop it onto the plate so that if it does fall, it falls onto your plate. Why? Because I can see the future. I knew this kid was gonna open his mouth and blab. Right? And maybe he didn't, I don't know. But, but something happened. Well, from what I understand, he actually did say something to his dad. He did? Yeah. I read somewhere. Yeah. That he actually confessed to his parents or parent. I don't know if he. Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know what the. Where the mother is. But. And again, to speculate on this, maybe mom and dad did their best to raise him right and this kid acted on emotion and realized I just took a human life and I took the life of somebody who never did anything to me. Me. And, and maybe, just maybe there was a hint of remorse. I am giving. I don't, I'm, I'm. I don't believe that for one second. But I would be remiss if I didn't at least put it out there to, to be thought of. You know what I mean? But I think he's just nuts. But now, so here's a question, because I don't know how this works. Works. So let's say the kid goes in, he. Let's say he confessed to his dad. So now he goes and turns himself in, which obviously means that he's saying, I did it. Now, can they use that in court that he, that he pled guilty? It would depend if he was the guy. Like, how does that work? Doesn't necessarily mean he's guilty. Yeah, but if he, like, let's say he goes in and admits it. Him saying it to his father would make it hearsay. No, but I mean, if he went in, he just turned himself in. Oh, if he went in and said, I did it. Yeah. So the argument could be made and I know I'm getting a little technical. No, but why would he, if he didn't do it, why would you turn yourself in there? There are instances in the past of people who did not commit crimes that, that claimed the, the responsibility for it, just for the attention, the notoriety, you know, the fame. Okay. I mean, we've already established that this kid is not right in the head. Right. So I want to be a martyr to my people, you know what I mean? But no, let's say he goes into the police department, turns himself in and pleads guilty. Now, what, does he still have a Looney Tune excuse that I did it? Well, that'll be determined by a psychologist or a psychiatrist. The police don't have the tools, the training or the know how or, or quite frankly, the scope to determine that. So in other words, he can, he can plead guilty to a cop or in the, you know, while he's being interrogated, yet he can still get off on an insanity plea. Again, that would be in the realm of what a court appointed psychiatrist. They would have to make that determination. But, but going in, like if he, let's just say for argument's sake, he kicked in the door to the, to the police station and said, I did it. And the defense attorney wants to say, I mean, because at the end of the day, we are patriotic Americans and we do believe that we have a system and everybody is entitled to a defense. Everybody's entitled to a defense. That's what makes us a great country. One of the many things that makes us a great country. So he goes in and he says, I did it. Oh, they didn't read him his rights and what he did by doing. And we're presuming that that's they didn't Mirandize him. Yeah, this is, this is pure speculation and, and, you know, conjecture right now, but let's just say for argument's sake, that's what he did. What he did by doing that would be called a spontaneous utterance. Okay. Which is a hundred percent legal and admissible in court. Even though they didn't Mirandize him. Even though they didn't Mirandize him. I'll give you a more benign example. Example of that. And for those of you out there listening, take notes. You get pulled over by a police officer, you know why I stopped you? I don't know. I have no idea. Because if you say I kind of shaved that light or I was going a little too fast. So you just, you have just made a spontaneous utterance. He had not written you that summons, which a ticket. Just keep, understand, when you are given a ticket, you are given, we call them summonses in New York City. When you get a summons, you are issued that summons in lieu of arrest. Anything I write you a ticket for, I can arrest you for. You go through a red light, I can arrest you for that. The reason we don't do that is because we would flood the court system in the jail system every single night with offenders. Sorry, I'm itching my nose. We would, we would flood the system with offenders. Summonses are issued in lieu of arrest for minor offenses. That's what they're for. That's the purpose. That's the official purpose. The real purpose is they generate revenue. Right. So you know that, that was just a cherry on top. So if a cop pulls you over and says, do you know why I pulled you over? I have no. Officer, with all due respect, I have no idea. I have no idea. I'm sorry. Officer, I have no idea. You don't have to be a jerk about it. You don't have to say f you. I'm not answering. Officer, with all due respect, I have no idea. Okay, no problem. And you move on with the traffic stop. Maybe you get lucky, maybe you don't, you know, raise, be seen. But that's called a spontaneous utterance. So if he went into the police department and said, I did it, he. They can use that in court. Yeah, that's. That's called an admission. It's not a confession. It's an admission if he goes and then sits down. Actually, I take that back. That actually is a confession. I did it. An admission would be something a little bit more like. Like, I squeezed the trigger. You know what I mean? Well, I didn't squeeze it at him or, you know, I wasn't. I wasn't trying to kill him. I was just trying to scare him. That would be like an admission. And, you know, some of the lawyers out there comment below. May. May correct me on this, but. But admission versus confession is. There is a difference. But to answer your question, yes, that would be either an admission or a confession. I'll go with that because I'm kind of dropping the ball. And then he would. They would interrogate him and videotape it, and then. Right. They would. They would use that in the interview. They would say, so you, when you came in, you said, I did it. What exactly did you do? And then now they're writing down every word he says. Now at this point, they would have Mirandized them and all of that. That way they're keeping everything above board because, remember, I have the right to remain silent. You just don't have the ability to sometimes. But, you know, but by. By walking in. And the really funny part is when. When we would call up people, arrest people, they would start saying things, thinking, these are the street lawyers thinking. If I say it now before they read me my Miranda rights, then I can use that as a defense and the whole thing will get thrown out of court. And it's like, no, stupid. Oops, no. And. And to be honest with you, of all the arrests that I made, I read Miranda rights once. Really? Once? You are not required to read the Miranda rights when you arrest somebody, at least not in New York City. Different departments might have different policies on that, but our policy was you must Mirandize before you interview, before you start asking questions about it. And what people forget is that everybody, including cops, has what's known as the common law right of inquiry, you are allowed to ask, what is your name, where do you live, and what are you doing here? And it is not. Has been deemed by the Supreme Court to not be a violation of your civil rights or your constitutional rights. It is not a violation. You have the right to say fangu. Sorry for the foul language. Oh, I don't care. Anybody who speaks Italian out there, you have the right to say, I'm not answering your questions and answer none of them. You have the right to do. But they are not violating your rights by asking you those three things and not mirandizing you before saying so. Now, what about these whack jobs? I see them on, like, YouTube and stuff where they get pulled over and they do this. I'm a citizen of the whatever. Oh, the sovereign citizen. Yeah. Those are my favorite ones. Did you ever run into any of those when you were a cop? Two. I had two experiences with them, and they were the funniest experience. What do you do? Well, both of them went to jail. Okay. Both of them. One of them got pulled out of his window. I want to see video of that. And, and this is long before body cameras. Right, But. And. And, you know, I don't pretend to be something I'm not. I'm, you know, I'm. I'm not. I'm not a ninja. And, And I don't walk around like a tough guy saying, kick indoors. This guy got pulled out of his window. Window. And. And he went to jail. He got a seatbelt cut and then he got yoked out of his window. But I. I don't understand that whole thing, you know, that they can actually have the. The audacity to do that. And it's so funny because it never works. And they. They always. They pull out pieces of paper and yeah, I have. I have the Magna Carta or whatever, Articles of confederation, and, you know, they start claiming all these things. It's a long time ago. I don't remember exactly what they said. To me, but it cracks me up to hold it up. The. The window is like, open this much and they. And they drop it out the window. Or they hold it up so the. Cop can read it and they tell, you need to read this and. No, no, no, what I need is your license. And it's, It's. It really is hilarious, really. Those people. How can you not laugh? I did. Oh, I did. Every time. Well, I say every time. It was only twice. But every time I see it on YouTube and. And it's funny because some of these cops, they get real. They start to get real twisted up, and they get torqued up, and I'm not having this conversation with you. And it's, bro, relax. Yeah, just laughing. Relax. He's not. You know, the more you laugh at. These people, the more pissed off they get. Spins them up. You can see the pressure dial on their forehead. They go right up. They get all talked up, and. And it's really, really funny. And at first, it was one of those, oh, my God, is this really happening? You know, like, I, I. We've. Yeah. Where's the. Where's the candidate? Yeah, I'm waiting for one of the guys from Jack Stevo. From Jackass to jump out and say, gotcha. You know, but. And I'm like, oh, oh, goody. You know, and it was just. It was really funny. But, yeah, I mean, those are. There's not much to tell on that. I mean, I'm not real. I don't have a whole lot of exciting war stories. You know, I just. I just had to ask. Yeah, it. It's. It happened to me twice. Both times they went to jail. And it was really funny because the second one, the one that didn't get yoked out of his window, realized his error in court and. Too late. Yeah, exactly. But, I mean, that guy. I mean, it's New York City, you know, that guy probably walked away with what we call an acd. I'm sorry. An adjournment in Contemplation of a dismissal. You screwed up. You have six months. If you don't get any summonses, if you don't get into any trouble, we'll dismiss this. But if you get into trouble in between that six months, you get in trouble for that. End this. So, you know, they called it an acd. A. An Adjournment in Contemplation of a dismissal. Okay. I don't even know if they're still using that term anymore, because you know how it is. People get hired into these positions, and they've got to reinvent the wheel to justify their existence. Doesn't make sense to me at all. You know, everything's got to be called something different. And, you know, we went through that with the different unit names in the police department. It was, you know, there was a unit called the Task Force, and then they became Strategic Response Group. And I don't know, now they're probably called the Muffin Squad. Who knows? Hitting up the bakeries, drinking coffee and donuts. Right. Do you have good bagels? So what do you guys say? Yeah, wrap it up a little bit here. I think so. Thank you for having me on. Thank you for coming on. It's been a pleasure. Come back. Yeah, you gotta come back. We have more. Lots more Pod pinions that go over. I'll be happy to. Yeah. Excellent. Let's see how much I get lambasted in the comments on this one. Hey, who cares? Yeah, we, you know, we get lambasted, that means the people are actually watching us. Yeah. 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